Sore Loserman

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Being in an armed service is a sufficient lessoning in totalitarianism for any reasonable person.

Does anyone here besides UG agree with this statement?


I wont deny that the military is totalitarian, my dad's in it, I should know, but being in the US military is still much less totalitarian and much more free than being a citizen in most if not all totalitarian states. For example, in the military you need to get leave to go someplace. In China (if not currently then only a few years ago) , whether in the military or not, you need to get permission from the government, have a clear purpose in going, have forms filled out in triplicate... etc.

Being in the military, while a similar experience, is not experience enough. Its only marginally more than any other semi-learned person (if you even qualify as such), and not more at all than someone who has studied them. Or lived in one. Grown up in one, in fact.

Like HM said, all youve got is 'rose fertilizer and bluster'. I'm logically and reasonably backing up what I say.

Youre getting completely out-argued by a teenager. And at risk of sounding cocky, I'm fairly certain most if not all readers here would agree.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Jeb, you could do what I did and read the guy's posts. Note the anti-Americanism (and not much of a hop to anti-democracy as well), the whole "America's cause deserved to lose in Vietnam" spin, and the perennial undermining of American motivation to win out against anti-democracy enemies. Note that his political ire is reserved for the most firmly anticommunist of the major political parties: the Soviets and Chicoms learned decades ago that they can deal more profitably with the Democrats than the Republicans (and my, how often they profited). All this humbug is exactly what the Sovs pushed on the world for decades. This is where tw's thinking is stuck, and he won't or can't evolve to enlightenment. Thinking as he does, tw cannot be a real democrat. He can run a fraud, and he can try and pull the wool over your eyes. Unlike me, he has no will to win out against the antihuman forces of anti-democracy. Considering how much genocide the antidemocracies have stacked up, one wonders at his rationales, and one imagines the very worst of his motivations.

Monkey, I understand communism better than you do. If you understood it as I do, you'd sound a lot more like me.

And that is probably one of the slipperyest slippery slopes ive ever seen.


He disagrees with america sometimes! America is a democracy, so he's against democracy!

He doesnt like Republicans! Hey, nor do most commies! He's a commie!

He thinks the us shouldnt have gone into Nam! Communists agree! He's a commie!

He disagrees with me! He must hate democracy, because I love democracy (as long as it's a democratically elected government thats far right-wing and archaic)!

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Monkey, I understand communism better than you do. If you understood it as I do, you'd sound a lot more like me.

If I understood it as you do, I would be completely incoherent. I'm glad I understand it as I do.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

LOL. I've been on the planet half a century. There's no shame in being guided by those more experienced.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Ibbie, perhaps if you showed me ONE instance where tw was caught endorsing American policy, rather than trying to make me the issue -- you can't bait me in that direction -- you might have a better argument here. I'll for now avoid simply saying an argument, full stop.

Meanwhile, if it duckspeaks like an Orwellian commie duck, it's still an utka.

[Ibby]

Show me one instance where I'VE endorsed (recent) American policy? I loathe what America has become. Am I a commie too, now?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Oow, oow....can I be a commie too.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

LOL. I've been on the planet half a century. There's no shame in being guided by those more experienced.

If you want to be a guide, you'll need more on your resume than calling people commies and being middle aged.

Ibbie, perhaps if you showed me ONE instance where tw was caught endorsing American policy

If the world is divided into supporters of US foreign policy and commies, then the commies have won already, and Bush is their biggest recruiter.

[richlevy]

UG's rants on Commies sort of reminds me of the dilemma of the average German in 1930's after being approached by a brownshirt.

Brownshirt: We're going to beat up some Commies, join us.
Citizen: Uh, no.
Brownshirt: You don't want to join us?
Citizen: No
Brownshirt: Ok, then, if you're not with us you must be with the Commies. Let's get him brothers!

Not being a Fascist doesn't make one a Communist and vice versa.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I am a Joe supporter

Do you still support him after he voted for torture and the suspention of habeas corpus?