Stock Market

[lookout123]

Same applies in this thread. Lookout123 is upset because of a fact he does not dispute. Stock brokers tend to underperform the market by maybe 1%. That makes lookout123 mad. Apparently he applies his emotions to instead see "Lookout123 underperforms the market by 1%." But that was not posted, was it?

Silly little muppet. I'm not angry at all. You don't have the ability to do that. I am disappointed because you refuse to ever do anything but play your same little game. You post repeatedly that advisors underperform the market by 1%. I asked you to cite your source. It is your claim, you should prove it, not wait for someone to disprove it. That would be the honest thing to do. If I claimed "tw jacks off everyday to The Economist", you would expect me to support that claim or admit that it might not be fact. You certainly wouldn't feel compelled to disprove my allegation. But as usual, rather than provide any support for your statement you choose to derail the conversation with some gobbledy-gook about others' emotions. You say shit and expect others to accept it as if it were gospel. You really should be a spokesperson for Bush. That is the method of debate you are using isn't it? Just repeat something loud enough and often enough until everyone accepts it as true?

You have made claims about how simple it is to invest and you know the right way to do it. I've never stated that you were wrong, I've just asked you to support your claims with actual facts. You've never bothered to respond.

You repeatedly claim that it is well known that mutual funds underperform the market. I've asked you to provide support for that statement. You have never bothered to respond.

You repeatedly claim that advisors underperfom the market by 1%. I've asked you to cite your source. You have never bothered to respond.

Tell me, are you this clueless in real life? Do you just say shit and expect others to accept it because you uttered it? Do you cry in front of the mirror every morning telling yourself this will be the day someone cares what you say? Tell me, does your mother still tell you that if you go out in the sun and talk to instead of down to others that, sooner or later someone will like you? Do you ever feel bad that even people in a little bulletin board ridicule you for being dense?

Don't worry, I'm sure someday you'll grow out of it. Sad little muppet.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Ibram

What's that s'posed to mean?

What do you think it means? I thought it was quite clear. What part do you have a problem with?

I cannot answer a question when I don't understand what you are asking - what you don't understand.

[tw]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Silly little muppet. I'm not angry at all. You don't have the ability to do that. I am disappointed because you refuse to ever do anything but play your same little game. You post repeatedly that advisors underperform the market by 1%. I asked you to cite your source. It is your claim, you should prove it, not wait for someone to disprove it.

Well that is about as far as I need read. Lookout123 has confirmed my suspicion. An emotional tirade because you have personalized what is a well reported industry trend as even noted in Peter Lynch's book. Sorry that you have trouble separating industry trends from yourself.

Well you posted by intentionally insulting me. Posted insults by lookout123 - 5. By tw - 0. Sorry that you are having so much trouble dealing with reality.

Meanwhile, mutual funds (excluding index funds) on average underperform the market by 1%. An adult lookout123 would not be posting insults in response to this reality. An adult lookout123 would have instead posted reasons why this is not true. Apparently you cannot which raises two questions. Is lookout123 that emotional due to no facts - or emotional because you know it’s true? Not that I expect a rational answer from one in meltdown.

Amusing how simple facts are so personalized as to make him so angry - and then lie about his anger. It does not change reality. Stock brokers tend to underperform the maket by at least 1%.

[tw]

Originally Posted by yesman065

Compromise

Compromise on what? I have no idea what there is to compromise about?

Demonstrated is a difference between what yesman065 saw and what I saw. That yellow school bus: time to worry about it was long ago when this failure was predictable. Whereas contents of that bus were immediate concern to those on the bridge, instead, the rest of us should be worrying about all school busses.

Where is the attack? it does not exist.

In another post, I will again be discussing this same concept called perspective. Where you see victory in tactical accomplishments, instead, those who see the same thing strategically see a completely different story. You are seeing victory where even Petraeus says it cannot exist. But again, you see only a school bus whereas I see something must larger, more important, and well beyond a little skirmish.

There are no grounds to even build a compromise. You see the little picture. I see the bigger picture. The only compromise is that there was no insult overtly, covertly, intended, or implied.

[yesman065]

I explained it all for you and everyone else already - they all seemed to get it. Why don't you? - I'll make it simple - perhaps even you can understand it then.

You are demeaning, rude, disrespectful and arrogant. It seethes out your very pores. The fact that you are the only one who "apparently" doesn't see this is most amusing.
I offered you a chance to respond - you didn't. I pointed out your weak attack - you denied it. I asked you VERY SPECIFIC questions several times - you ignored them. you tw are by every definition a tiny little man - if one at all.
You are a coward and afraid to respond for fear of something that exists only in your pathetic little mind. Your writing style is grating and redundant - you bury innuendo and insinuations in every post and everyone sees them. You misjudge the intelligence of everyone else here.
Your demeanor and attitude are disparaging, depreciatory and derogatory. You are an ass - I can prove every point I have just made by citing your own posts - therefore by your own faulty logic and reason this is not a personal attack - its simply the truth.

[lookout123]

Posted insults by lookout123 - 5. By tw - 0.

Insults? Really tw, how can you be insulted by words on a screen? I'd expect an adult wouldn't be insulted, if only they could discuss a factual issue without emotion. Silly little muppet. I apologize for hurting your feelings. I had no idea you were so sensitive. Is there really a scared little boy under that vulcan charade? my oh my.

But back to the subject. TW assertions - many. Lookout's requests for evidence - many. TW's sources provided - 0. TW's BS factor - off the chart.

Don't cry little muppet, you still have your Popular Mechanics collection to comfort you. And remember, soon there will be a new discussion here that you can drop an encyclopedic post on. Oh think of the possibilities... there are probably hundreds, if not thousands of future threads just waiting for your winning debate tactics. How exciting. Sad, sad muppet.

[lookout123]

You know, muppet, I feel bad. You're going to waste your whole night googling to find support for your claims. I don't want you to take that much time away from your knitting so I'll just make it easy for you.

If your claim is that 75-80% of mutual funds underperform the market in a typical year - you are correct. But do you have the curiosity to wonder what that means? Do you have the intellectual honesty to post the reasons if you have, in fact, researched to find out?

If your claim is that financial advisors underperform the market by 1%. You are partially correct. Care to explain what that number signifies?

It's up to you big boy, I've done half your work for you. Now it's time to prove your honesty. To ignore the challenge before you or to show some honesty and post information brings the truth to shine on your claims. Such a conundrum, my little muppet.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Ibram

It's so perfect... builds to such a crescendo. And he hasn't changed a bit, not a single bit, in six years.

Actually, he reads The Economist now...

[tw]

Originally Posted by yesman065

You are demeaning, rude, disrespectful and arrogant. It seethes out your very pores.

Care to quote examples? I am just blunt and honest - as I always said I would be. Those who are honest at the expense of being politically correct will be considered demeaning, rude, and disrespectful by those who wear their emotions on their sleeve. You don't like it. You (not anyone else) are responsible for your emotions.

Why is the paragraph insulting or demeaning only because you see a single school bus that you cannot do anything about - and don't see the bigger picture - all those other school busses? It's not insulting. It's a statement of fact. But that simple ‘contrast and question’ is enough to start a meltdown? Apparently - and directly traceable only to your emotions.

There was nothing demeaning, rude, or disrespectful in that post - except to one who personalizes. Anything that is demeaning, rude, and disrespectful is completely inside Yesman065's brain. It is not in that posted text. There was no intent as made obvious in the rest of that post. But again, where is this demeaning, rude, or disrespectful word in this post quoted but again? tw does not even use profanity as yesman065 so often does.

Reposted again because Yesman065 never cites the demeaning word.

Demonstrated is a difference between what yesman065 saw and what I saw. That yellow school bus: time to worry about it was long ago when this failure was predictable. Whereas contents of that bus were immediate concern to those on the bridge, instead, the rest of us should be worrying about all school busses.

Where is the demeaning word? It does not exist as demonstrated by how many times yesman065 still cannot cite one.

Again we have the quote. Again yesman065 will never cite a personal attack. He just knows it must be rude, demeaning, or arrogant - because he knows. Well that is insulting to me - and only because yesman065 cannot control his emotions.

How can you ask for a compromise when you cannot even define what to compromise on? A compromise on nothing is no compromise. We cannot compromise on your emotions. Your emotions are 100% your problem. Until you obtain control of your emotions, then you will degrade with Cellar with more insults and profanity. You cannot even cite the demeaning word ... because it does not exist except inside your head. You cannot even define what to compromise on - because the attack did not exist.

[tw]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Insults? Really tw, how can you be insulted by words on a screen? I'd expect an adult wouldn't be insulted, if only they could discuss a factual issue without emotion. Silly little muppet.

Well then lets talk about your intelligence. It was so low that you supported the mental midget president and adovcated the massacre of American soldiers in a war justified by lies. Clearly only one with an enlarged anus would have been friends with someone who even disposed of voter registration applications. But then intelligence is not found in stock brokers who make money by lying.

Of couse I never posted any of that before because that would be insulting and irrelevant. But since you have lowered the threshold to make personal attacks acceptable, then let's talk abut your wife ... oh, she left you. Why? Please explain why she could not longer put up with you. Clearly these discussion are now acceptable since accusations without foundation are the new standard.

Sorry, I don't have a long list of four letter insults to direct at you. I have little practice at profanity. Please read some previous yesman065 posts and consider them directed at you. (yesman065 - I now find this funny.)

Or maybe you want to stop personalizing and deal with the issue - that stock brokers tend to underperform the market. Strange how you don't put up a weighted average of all mutual funds (not including indexed ones) compared to the S&P 500. Then you could fill the Cellar with facts instead of your emotions.

Meanwhile, mutual funds (those where stock brokers make the decisions - not index funds) tend to underperform the market.

I don't say ignore the brokers or analysts. I say listen extensively to them - to find the few who actually know what they are talking about. Even the lesser ones sometimes through out a useful gem. Ignore them all only if letting a stock broker do the investing. Of course none of those previous posts said anything about lookout123. How curious he took vast emotional insult at what is only an industry trend. Funny that he replies with emotion rather than numbers - which he more than anyone else has most access to.

[tw]

BTW, call me by my real name. Cookie Monster.

[lookout123]

*rereads muppet's post for the 3rd time*
Nope, I didn't miss it. You post yet again and still have yet to answer even one question. Couldn't you set your emotions aside, wipe the foam from your mouth, and pull up google to even attempt locating an answer for even one question? Sad. So sad. Wipe the tears from your eyes, I'm sure it is hard to think straight when someone rubs your nose in the reality of your sad little existence, but try. Just remember, you have a choice. No one can make you feel inferior, it is all just in your head(like the voices. and your friends). All men (and women) were created equal - even you. That means you have the ability to come out of your shell and join humanity. (That's what we call all those people you see outside the window of your mother's basement) You can put down the encyclopedia, rinse the bile from your mouth and take part in the joy that is real life. Don't fear the sunlight, muppet. It's ok. Mom will still love you if you leave the basement.

And I promise that I'll forgive you and still love you if you wipe the foam from your mouth. I understand you have no control over the vitriol you spew once the rage you suppress wells up and breaks out of its cage. (I heard it was Karl Rove's fault) Poor, sad, repressed little muppet.

I tell you what, I'll give you another chance. I'll bet with a few deep breaths and the help of some medication you can overcome your phobia of questions. I want to help you. Take that first step and answer at least one of the questions I set before you. I'll even give you another hint. You're getting close to the point in the very way you post your allegations, or as you like to call them "facts". Be brave little muppet. You've had a lifetime savoring the bitter taste of failure. Try a new flavor, you can overcome your affliction. I believe in you.

Come on, everybody. Let's give our little muppet a round of applause. He seems shy, but I can see by the little gleam in his eye that he really does want to come out of his cage. Come on, fella - we're pullin' for you.

[Undertoad]

tw, when you wrote "numbers repeatedly reported from various sources noted how stock brokers underperform the market by about 1%", I wonder if you could post one of those sources. Thanks

[barefoot serpent]

Another tip of the 'mortgage meltdown' iceberg.

Mortgage swindlers buy buildings dirt-cheap or use brazen cons to gain control of people's homes. They apply for hefty mortgage loans, take the cash, then disappear, leaving empty buildings and destitute victims in their wake.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

tw, when you wrote "numbers repeatedly reported from various sources noted how stock brokers underperform the market by about 1%", I wonder if you could post one of those sources. Thanks

I cited Peter Lynch's book as one example. It also may have been in Warren Buffet's book. I don't remember. But the fact that stock brokers average underperformance was reported often in numerous sources back when I was avidly learning this stuff and was demonstrated by a weighted average of non-indexed mutual funds by some business news sources.

Did stock brokers get smarter today then 20 years ago? I doubt it.

Of course, that is no longer relevant. Lookout123 has somehow taken this personally. Why does he care what his peers do? Why is he so defensive? Emotion replaces logic.

We also disagree on his original point. He says to ignore those market analysts. I say learn from them - especially by grasping the most important point they make - the 'whys'. Reasons 'why' say far more about which analysts have a clue. Ignore them all and then learn nothing. But lookout123 says to ignore them all. Especially with a market this volatile is a perfect time to learn which ones have a clue.

I cannot go back to so many news reports even 20 years ago. But lookout123 has access to all these numbers. Why did he go emotionally ballistic instead of citing numbers that he has routine access to?