The Pussification of the Western Male - Page 3

xoxoxoBruce · 11-06-2003, 08:28 PM

Muliebrity:
1- The state of being a woman; womanhood.
2- The qualities of a woman; femininity.
From the English noun mule, stubborn. :p

juju · 11-07-2003, 10:13 AM

I don't yet have time to catch up on all this, but the title of the article is from a George Carlin bit.

Beestie · 11-07-2003, 10:51 AM

I think the guy is all confused but he does make some points that I agree with and I'll throw in a few of my own:

That the pussification of European men is complete - can there be ANY doubt about this?

While his thesis is that women seek to emasculate men, he goes on to say how Rummy could get laid anywhere, anytime, anyplace and I figure he's probably right. Same can be said for quite a few manly men. I think there is a discord in there somewhere but its hard to pin down. In other words, if that many women (90% I think he said) like manly men, than which women is it that are trying to outfit men with skirts? [/sound of head scratching]

I think it boils down to the fact that some (of each sex) want the other sex to be less different. I do not believe the ratio is all that different than it ever was (e.g., Y% of women like sissy, new-age, breast-feeding men and X% of men like women who aren't overly feminine).

What I think is going on is that society has blown off all the stereotypical roles so its open season on what men and women are supposed to be. A clean slate. And the Y% of women who, for whatever reason like Queer Eye guys, have just taken over. The women who like(d) men in their natural state haven't spoken up so it's a case of a vocal (and powerful in terms of the mass media) minority yielding the appearance of a grass roots movement.

But, that's just one idiot's opinion.

Undertoad · 11-07-2003, 02:25 PM

My ol buddy Tom nails it to the wall:

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What really fascinates me in all this though is the unmentioned elephant in the microwave, the unnoted moose in the bread box, the politely ignored poodle in the soup. This masculinist manifesto was written by a guy with a name out of a Itaewon drag bar. It's an even money bet that some 38th parallel sistermister in a homemade slit dress has already done more to push the name Kim du Toit towards immortality than the Chicago pants-wearer ever will.

Mr. du Toit has a better reason than most to feel that American masculinity is under constant siege.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-08-2003, 03:12 PM

This has been hanging around my desk for years. I don't remember what I cut it out of.

Whit · 11-09-2003, 09:17 AM

      This guy strikes me as a pussy that needs props, like guns and cars, to feel manly. Screw that. Being a man isn't about scratching yourself or screwing your secratary. Being gentle isn't about being weak. This guy's got so much out of whack it's insane.
      Another thing, "some women deserve to be single mom's?" WTF? Obviously being a parent is a bad thing. Also, yeah men are more 'sensitive' and that's because we're a generation raised by single moms. You want men to be more manly? Fine then, be a real man and raise your own kids. Not only do I have a boy that's going to be one hell of a man, I have a six year old girl with a wicked right cross. I even had to buy her gloves so she wouldn't mark up my face when working her strikes. (Yes I teach her to punch to the face)
      One more thing, women getting stronger doesn't make men weaker. It just means we have to earn the right to be in charge, it's no longer given to us because of our gender.

lumberjim · 11-10-2003, 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by Whit
; One more thing, women getting stronger doesn't make men weaker. It just means we have to earn the right to be in charge, it's no longer given to us because of our gender.

oh yeah!...what HE said!

xoxoxoBruce · 11-10-2003, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by Whit
            Another thing, "some women deserve to be single mom's?" WTF? Obviously being a parent is a bad thing. Also, yeah men are more 'sensitive' and that's because we're a generation raised by single moms. You want men to be more manly? Fine then, be a real man and raise your own kids. Not only do I have a boy that's going to be one hell of a man, I have a six year old girl with a wicked right cross. I even had to buy her gloves so she wouldn't mark up my face when working her strikes. (Yes I teach her to punch to the face)
     

I think you reading too much into his statement. He didn't say anything about the kids. It's true that some women don't deserve to be married just as there are some men that don't deserve a wife. People that can't function in a relationship. There's a lot of divorced people that earned it.
I don't think staying together for the sake of the kids is usually a good idea any more than having a baby will *fix* a bad marriage.
The daily friction can't be good for kids. Living apart doesn't mean that both parents can't nurture the kids separately and having them come out better in the end as long as neither uses the kids as a weapon.

OnyxCougar · 11-10-2003, 07:40 PM

Which is exactly why I left my second husband. We can't live together, and the stress and hostility that were present in our lives was getting to much for all of us.

I had to make a decision: Stay with this man that drove me crazy and vice versa for the sake of the kids and a single family unit, and teach them to stay in a bad place where they were miserable, or Leave, break us up into 2 units, but ultimately be happier without the stress and fights and teach them that sometimes it's better to go seperate ways than to be miserable.

I chose the latter. And it hasn't been easy for any of us, but I think it was the right decision. Hopefully I can also teach them thru my mistakes that choosing the right partner is the first step and essential in raising a happy family unit that stays together.

Whit · 11-11-2003, 12:03 AM

      Actually Bruce, I was just being pissy about the fact that in his assessment not only would the woman get the kids, but she deserves the problems of it. Your right that he doesn't mention the kids. That was my point. This is the kind of thinking that allows abusive, jobless-by-decisions mom's to keep the kids when Dad is a decent guy that would never harm the kids. (this is a reference to a case where I testified to seeing the bruises on the kids) This is also the thinking that leads to the exact problem he speaks of, since the kids grow up without male influence. He's the cause of the problems he's bitching about, not the solution.

Edit: Loved the comic, by the way.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-11-2003, 08:57 PM

One of the Rock stars, might be the Motor City Madman but I don't remember, bought a farm for his kids to live. He and his wife alternate visiting the kids on *their* farm. No uprooting or shuttling makes the kids more secure. Sounds good to me.

11-06-2003, 08:28 PM	#31
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Muliebrity: 1- The state of being a woman; womanhood. 2- The qualities of a woman; femininity. From the English noun mule, stubborn. :p __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-07-2003, 10:51 AM	#33
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	I think the guy is all confused but he does make some points that I agree with and I'll throw in a few of my own: That the pussification of European men is complete - can there be ANY doubt about this? While his thesis is that women seek to emasculate men, he goes on to say how Rummy could get laid anywhere, anytime, anyplace and I figure he's probably right. Same can be said for quite a few manly men. I think there is a discord in there somewhere but its hard to pin down. In other words, if that many women (90% I think he said) like manly men, than which women is it that are trying to outfit men with skirts? [/sound of head scratching] I think it boils down to the fact that some (of each sex) want the other sex to be less different. I do not believe the ratio is all that different than it ever was (e.g., Y% of women like sissy, new-age, breast-feeding men and X% of men like women who aren't overly feminine). What I think is going on is that society has blown off all the stereotypical roles so its open season on what men and women are supposed to be. A clean slate. And the Y% of women who, for whatever reason like Queer Eye guys, have just taken over. The women who like(d) men in their natural state haven't spoken up so it's a case of a vocal (and powerful in terms of the mass media) minority yielding the appearance of a grass roots movement. But, that's just one idiot's opinion. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

11-08-2003, 03:12 PM	#35
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	This has been hanging around my desk for years. I don't remember what I cut it out of. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 04-07-2007 at 06:06 PM.

11-09-2003, 09:17 AM	#36
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	This guy strikes me as a pussy that needs props, like guns and cars, to feel manly. Screw that. Being a man isn't about scratching yourself or screwing your secratary. Being gentle isn't about being weak. This guy's got so much out of whack it's insane.       Another thing, "some women deserve to be single mom's?" WTF? Obviously being a parent is a bad thing. Also, yeah men are more 'sensitive' and that's because we're a generation raised by single moms. You want men to be more manly? Fine then, be a real man and raise your own kids. Not only do I have a boy that's going to be one hell of a man, I have a six year old girl with a wicked right cross. I even had to buy her gloves so she wouldn't mark up my face when working her strikes. (Yes I teach her to punch to the face)       One more thing, women getting stronger doesn't make men weaker. It just means we have to earn the right to be in charge, it's no longer given to us because of our gender. __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

11-10-2003, 07:40 PM	#39
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Which is exactly why I left my second husband. We can't live together, and the stress and hostility that were present in our lives was getting to much for all of us. I had to make a decision: Stay with this man that drove me crazy and vice versa for the sake of the kids and a single family unit, and teach them to stay in a bad place where they were miserable, or Leave, break us up into 2 units, but ultimately be happier without the stress and fights and teach them that sometimes it's better to go seperate ways than to be miserable. I chose the latter. And it hasn't been easy for any of us, but I think it was the right decision. Hopefully I can also teach them thru my mistakes that choosing the right partner is the first step and essential in raising a happy family unit that stays together. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

11-07-2003, 10:13 AM	#32
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	I don't yet have time to catch up on all this, but the title of the article is from a George Carlin bit.

11-11-2003, 12:03 AM	#40
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	Actually Bruce, I was just being pissy about the fact that in his assessment not only would the woman get the kids, but she deserves the problems of it. Your right that he doesn't mention the kids. That was my point. This is the kind of thinking that allows abusive, jobless-by-decisions mom's to keep the kids when Dad is a decent guy that would never harm the kids. (this is a reference to a case where I testified to seeing the bruises on the kids) This is also the thinking that leads to the exact problem he speaks of, since the kids grow up without male influence. He's the cause of the problems he's bitching about, not the solution. Edit: Loved the comic, by the way. __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

11-11-2003, 08:57 PM	#41
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	One of the Rock stars, might be the Motor City Madman but I don't remember, bought a farm for his kids to live. He and his wife alternate visiting the kids on their farm. No uprooting or shuttling makes the kids more secure. Sounds good to me. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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