The Generic Support Group Thread - Page 9

xoxoxoBruce · 12-20-2005, 06:55 PM

No sweat, you'll have a pair of goats by spring.

Elspode · 12-20-2005, 11:07 PM

How many candles do you want me to light, BigV?

Hint: Put cinnamon in your shoes before you go for the interview. As you drive there on the big day, visualize yourself being offered the job. You're as good as hired, big guy.

12-20-2005, 11:25 PM

When it comes to the interview, BigV. just remember, you are interviewing THEM! "Let's see is the outfit worthy enough to acquire my services?" Oh, and if they ask you that crap about what your greatest weakness is, answer them with a STRENGTH! Like, "Probably my greatess weakness is my drive toward perfection. I find myself putting in long hours to see that my work is done well. I get annoyed with myself sometimes that I can't just let something slide, but it is important to me to get the job done right!" You know, stuff like that. Or you could always say, "I sir, am an ass" and then quote Dogberry's lines from Much ado about Nothing!

Imagine the sorts of questions you would ask a potential employee, and have well thought out answers for them. Be prepared for the uncomfortable question of "Why did you leave your last job?" You may even want to take the bull by the horns and bring it up before they can. "Company Blech is simply uninterested in new technology and innovation. I felt that my career was suffering as a result. I am aware of the great things you are doing here at Company Wonderful and feel that I can make a worthwhile contribution to your goals here, as well as my own." Or whatever. You get the idea, I'm sure.

Good luck! And don't forget the cinnamon!

LabRat · 12-21-2005, 12:07 PM

My

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Be yourself.

You rock, are articulate and kick ass every way till Sunday. That will show thru face to face. Unless this is the first interview the interviewer had ever done, they will see thru the BS and write you off as a fake if you try to be something you are not for the sake of trying to impress.

So far, I have yet to be fired *knocks on wood* so I really don't know how to handle that part of the interview, but if it were me, I'd be honest. "I gave the job away, learned lessons X Y and Z, and won't do it again."

We're all rooting for you, and you know it. Kick ass!!

Oh, and if you don't get interviews right off the bat, don't fret too much (I know, easy for me to say, who's not eating ramen and saltines for dinner) a lot of places have to post jobs even though they already have someone internally that they planned on putting in that position. Keep at it, and post here to help let the steam and nervousness out.

mrnoodle · 12-21-2005, 12:16 PM

Having spoken with BigV outside of the cellar, I can vouch for his wit, charm, and ability to articulate his thoughts clearly on the fly. Don't let his handwringing fool you, he'll have a job offer before February rolls around. March at the latest.

staceyv · 12-22-2005, 02:26 AM

Um, am I still allowed to post about miscellaneous problems I have which make me in need of generic support?
Because I do have some stuff that's bugging the CRAP out of me, but I don't want to take the support and attention away from BigV, who probably needs it more trhan me...

I don't know. I'm kind of drunk right now and contemplating going to the store for some cheese. I would like to talk if anyone wants to listen, though

Beestie · 12-22-2005, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staceyv

I'm kind of drunk right now and contemplating going to the store for some cheese.

Uhhhh... Only if the store is walking distance

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese.

staceyv · 12-22-2005, 02:53 AM

Don't worry, I found some in the freezer

Undertoad · 12-24-2005, 07:44 AM

Dog people are notoriously feisty and picky when they think you aren't doing the right thing.

So, I wouldn't tell them that you have tired of this dog after a very short time because she is submissive and "goofy" and "homely" and has a few behavior problems... after being shipped literally across the country alone by an unreliable breeder who ripped you off.

I would also not tell them you are trying to get full price return for a puppy you know will never be show quality.

On another topic, I seriously recommend quitting this practice of giving insulting nicknames to those you want to care about and be close to. In the long run, it is an unloving practice and only serves to bring down both you and them. Habitual harshness or bitterness makes one permanently harsh or bitter. Like those dog people at petfinder. Don't be like them.

12-24-2005, 01:01 PM

Being a dog lover, and having had quite a few, I find this discussion sort'a depressing.

As you found out, you can't buy them sight-unseen if you're looking for specific attributes. Dogs have emotions & feelings. They develop at different rates. The puppy you have today may not develop into what you expect tomorrow.

So this puppy gets fucked at both ends and you seem to suggest she's too submisive or actually enjoys it. Could be she feels intiminated by being ganged up on. Maybe it eats and sleeps in piss because its the only place she feels safe. Maybe it eats shit because it tastes better than the dog food, or because it thinks you like it. etc, etc, etc. At any rate, its doing these things for reasons that may have nothing to do with whether or not she enjoys it.

Actually I think shipping a puppy across the country in a box like a comodity is criminal. The dog suffers just to satisfy your ego in having a show dog. It's not the dog that's fucked up, it's you. Pretty sick.

Undertoad · 12-24-2005, 07:48 AM

If you don't like submissive dogs, please don't be a breeder.

Undertoad · 12-24-2005, 02:14 PM

You will always get some submissive dogs. That's pack behavior, I don't care what breed.

zippyt · 12-24-2005, 03:53 PM

Stacy , you bought a dog on some body elses word ?????
Well you GOT what you payed for .

I always prefer to sit down in a crowd of puppies and make my own choise , sort of a feeling wich puppy will mature into the dog I want to have , so far I have only had 1 dud , he was a good dog just not the brightest knife in the drawer ( if'n you know what I meen )

12-25-2005, 02:37 AM

Well, Stacey, I wouldn't post on that other board that "no animal shelter treats its dogs better." That's lowering the bar considerably. The Humane Society here keeps dogs in kennels with small concrete runs. The kennels are hosed down once or twice a day, the dogs are adequately fed and protected from the elements. After x amount of time, any dog which hasn't been adopted is given a bar of soap and sent off to the showers.

It doesn't take an amazing amount of skill or investment of time to treat a dog as good or better than that.

If I had a husband I called "buttfuck," I'd get rid of him. If you want to keep a buttfuck, its your life, do as you please. I actually clicked on your link and checked out that site and the members there seem to think you should get rid of your husband, as well, for cruelty to animals.

And it is dead on that if you don't like submissive dogs, you shouldn't be breeding them. Dogs are social, pack animals. Only one gets to be the alpha member of the pack. The other pack members are subordinate to the alpha animal. If this bugs you, either keep only one dog or get yourself a school of fish.

I suspect that your other dogs are following your cues in your dislike of this chihuahua which may indeed be a more submissive animal by nature, and ganging up on it. The behavior you describe is that of an animal which feels completely terrorized. It is highly abnormal for a dog to respond in the manner you say this puppy is responding. You don't like its personality, you don't like its looks and you feel ripped off. I suggest that you cut your losses and out of kindness to the animal, GIVE IT AWAY to someone who will treat it decently - not with resentment and not calling it nasty names. Maybe Busterb would take it off your hands. I bet it would be a thousand times happier living with him and Sheila.

If the breeder did indeed rip you off, then I'm sorry to say that it was most likely your own fault. If you researched the breeder, checked into the bloodlines of her animals, checked to see if she has been winning shows with them, asked around about her to other breeders, chances are 99.999% that you would have recieved an acceptable pup for your money.

I did all these things before buying my pup. The breeder had me apply to get one of her puppies which impressed me enormously. She went to the trouble of importing my puppy's sire all the way from Australia to keep the genetics of her litters as free from inbreeding as possible. Both the sire and the dam of my pup are AKC champions in herding and agility. I got a picture of my pup at 3 weeks and more pictures which I posted here of the pup at 8 weeks. At 12 weeks, she is still the same pup, only bigger and a little less pudgy. She's a wonderful Corgi pup and I am enormously pleased with her. I spent half of what you did for my pup, too. I did a lot of homework before getting her, but that time was well worth it. The result is asleep at my feet with her head on my foot and I call her "Corgette" - NOT "Pisser."

Sundae · 01-04-2006, 10:34 AM

This time last year I believed that 2005 would be my year. I was already 2 months into a health kick – losing weight, exercising etc. My ex agreed to pay me £2000, and although he attached some weird conditions to it and it wasn't even half of what I believe he owes, I'd mentally written it off in my head already, so it was a pleasant surprise. This and working 6 days a week meant that I finally paid off all my debts – no loan, overdraft, credit card, store card etc.

I booked to go speed dating in April and was going to Italy in May for a friend's wedding. In short I felt my life was improving and my hard work meant I could be proud as well as satisfied.

Some time between May-July things started slipping. I lost 4 stone but didn't quite reach my target weight, maintained for about a month and then started gaining again. I lost focus, stopped exercising, started eating & drinking more. I dated 3 men I met at speed dating but I just didn't fancy any of them. I went on about 4 dates with one, thinking I might have been judging too quickly, but the spark was never there.

I started spending more of my money on drink, which meant I put more weight on. None of the funky clothes I bought earlier in the year fitted me & I started making excuses if I was asked out. I ran out of money halfway through each month anyway, and put off paying bills until the next payday to leave me more money for beer & takeaways.

I am now at the highest weight I have ever been in a whole history of yo-yo dieting. I am about £100 behind on bills and haven't had my hair done since September (as I have highlighted hair this shows very clearly).

I finally cleaned my flat at the weekend and it took 7 hours to do 3 rooms (I still have the bedroom to do) because it looked like the sort of place a drunk would go to die. I feel like someone has beaten me with a big dirty stick because I pulled all the muscles in my legs & back cleaning. I feel better about going home knowing my living room & kitchen are clean, but last night I slept on the sofa & probably will again tonight because sleeping in the bedroom the way it is makes me disgusted with myself.

Anyway – I have lower expectations this year. But I do want 2006 to end better than it started. I think I have taken the first baby steps, but not sure how to keep moving forwards. I need to stop drinking (this is going to be the hardest). Then I believe I can slowly lose some weight, introduce exercise, work on getting out of my flat. At that point I might be capable of looking for love again.

Am partly looking for words of wisdom, partly just getting all this off my chest because I won't admit to anyone I know in real life how badly I screwed things up last year.

12-20-2005, 06:55 PM	#1
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	No sweat, you'll have a pair of goats by spring. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-20-2005, 11:07 PM	#2
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	How many candles do you want me to light, BigV? Hint: Put cinnamon in your shoes before you go for the interview. As you drive there on the big day, visualize yourself being offered the job. You're as good as hired, big guy. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

12-20-2005, 11:25 PM	#3
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	When it comes to the interview, BigV. just remember, you are interviewing THEM! "Let's see is the outfit worthy enough to acquire my services?" Oh, and if they ask you that crap about what your greatest weakness is, answer them with a STRENGTH! Like, "Probably my greatess weakness is my drive toward perfection. I find myself putting in long hours to see that my work is done well. I get annoyed with myself sometimes that I can't just let something slide, but it is important to me to get the job done right!" You know, stuff like that. Or you could always say, "I sir, am an ass" and then quote Dogberry's lines from Much ado about Nothing! Imagine the sorts of questions you would ask a potential employee, and have well thought out answers for them. Be prepared for the uncomfortable question of "Why did you leave your last job?" You may even want to take the bull by the horns and bring it up before they can. "Company Blech is simply uninterested in new technology and innovation. I felt that my career was suffering as a result. I am aware of the great things you are doing here at Company Wonderful and feel that I can make a worthwhile contribution to your goals here, as well as my own." Or whatever. You get the idea, I'm sure. Good luck! And don't forget the cinnamon! Last edited by marichiko; 12-20-2005 at 11:28 PM.

12-21-2005, 12:07 PM	#4
LabRat twatfaced two legged bumhole Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,143	My : Be yourself. You rock, are articulate and kick ass every way till Sunday. That will show thru face to face. Unless this is the first interview the interviewer had ever done, they will see thru the BS and write you off as a fake if you try to be something you are not for the sake of trying to impress. So far, I have yet to be fired knocks on wood so I really don't know how to handle that part of the interview, but if it were me, I'd be honest. "I gave the job away, learned lessons X Y and Z, and won't do it again." We're all rooting for you, and you know it. Kick ass!! Oh, and if you don't get interviews right off the bat, don't fret too much (I know, easy for me to say, who's not eating ramen and saltines for dinner) a lot of places have to post jobs even though they already have someone internally that they planned on putting in that position. Keep at it, and post here to help let the steam and nervousness out. __________________ Strength does not come from how much weight you can lift, or how many miles you can run. It comes from knowing that you set a goal, and rose to the challenge. Strength comes from within.

12-21-2005, 12:16 PM	#5
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	Having spoken with BigV outside of the cellar, I can vouch for his wit, charm, and ability to articulate his thoughts clearly on the fly. Don't let his handwringing fool you, he'll have a job offer before February rolls around. March at the latest. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

12-22-2005, 02:26 AM	#6
staceyv Lecturer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 927	Um, am I still allowed to post about miscellaneous problems I have which make me in need of generic support? Because I do have some stuff that's bugging the CRAP out of me, but I don't want to take the support and attention away from BigV, who probably needs it more trhan me... I don't know. I'm kind of drunk right now and contemplating going to the store for some cheese. I would like to talk if anyone wants to listen, though

12-22-2005, 02:53 AM	#8
staceyv Lecturer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 927	Don't worry, I found some in the freezer

12-24-2005, 07:44 AM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Dog people are notoriously feisty and picky when they think you aren't doing the right thing. So, I wouldn't tell them that you have tired of this dog after a very short time because she is submissive and "goofy" and "homely" and has a few behavior problems... after being shipped literally across the country alone by an unreliable breeder who ripped you off. I would also not tell them you are trying to get full price return for a puppy you know will never be show quality. On another topic, I seriously recommend quitting this practice of giving insulting nicknames to those you want to care about and be close to. In the long run, it is an unloving practice and only serves to bring down both you and them. Habitual harshness or bitterness makes one permanently harsh or bitter. Like those dog people at petfinder. Don't be like them.

12-24-2005, 01:01 PM	#10
HUMBUG Guest Posts: n/a	Being a dog lover, and having had quite a few, I find this discussion sort'a depressing. As you found out, you can't buy them sight-unseen if you're looking for specific attributes. Dogs have emotions & feelings. They develop at different rates. The puppy you have today may not develop into what you expect tomorrow. So this puppy gets fucked at both ends and you seem to suggest she's too submisive or actually enjoys it. Could be she feels intiminated by being ganged up on. Maybe it eats and sleeps in piss because its the only place she feels safe. Maybe it eats shit because it tastes better than the dog food, or because it thinks you like it. etc, etc, etc. At any rate, its doing these things for reasons that may have nothing to do with whether or not she enjoys it. Actually I think shipping a puppy across the country in a box like a comodity is criminal. The dog suffers just to satisfy your ego in having a show dog. It's not the dog that's fucked up, it's you. Pretty sick.

12-24-2005, 07:48 AM	#11
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If you don't like submissive dogs, please don't be a breeder.

12-24-2005, 02:14 PM	#12
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	You will always get some submissive dogs. That's pack behavior, I don't care what breed.

12-24-2005, 03:53 PM	#13
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	Stacy , you bought a dog on some body elses word ????? Well you GOT what you payed for . I always prefer to sit down in a crowd of puppies and make my own choise , sort of a feeling wich puppy will mature into the dog I want to have , so far I have only had 1 dud , he was a good dog just not the brightest knife in the drawer ( if'n you know what I meen ) __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

12-25-2005, 02:37 AM	#14
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Well, Stacey, I wouldn't post on that other board that "no animal shelter treats its dogs better." That's lowering the bar considerably. The Humane Society here keeps dogs in kennels with small concrete runs. The kennels are hosed down once or twice a day, the dogs are adequately fed and protected from the elements. After x amount of time, any dog which hasn't been adopted is given a bar of soap and sent off to the showers. It doesn't take an amazing amount of skill or investment of time to treat a dog as good or better than that. If I had a husband I called "buttfuck," I'd get rid of him. If you want to keep a buttfuck, its your life, do as you please. I actually clicked on your link and checked out that site and the members there seem to think you should get rid of your husband, as well, for cruelty to animals. And it is dead on that if you don't like submissive dogs, you shouldn't be breeding them. Dogs are social, pack animals. Only one gets to be the alpha member of the pack. The other pack members are subordinate to the alpha animal. If this bugs you, either keep only one dog or get yourself a school of fish. I suspect that your other dogs are following your cues in your dislike of this chihuahua which may indeed be a more submissive animal by nature, and ganging up on it. The behavior you describe is that of an animal which feels completely terrorized. It is highly abnormal for a dog to respond in the manner you say this puppy is responding. You don't like its personality, you don't like its looks and you feel ripped off. I suggest that you cut your losses and out of kindness to the animal, GIVE IT AWAY to someone who will treat it decently - not with resentment and not calling it nasty names. Maybe Busterb would take it off your hands. I bet it would be a thousand times happier living with him and Sheila. If the breeder did indeed rip you off, then I'm sorry to say that it was most likely your own fault. If you researched the breeder, checked into the bloodlines of her animals, checked to see if she has been winning shows with them, asked around about her to other breeders, chances are 99.999% that you would have recieved an acceptable pup for your money. I did all these things before buying my pup. The breeder had me apply to get one of her puppies which impressed me enormously. She went to the trouble of importing my puppy's sire all the way from Australia to keep the genetics of her litters as free from inbreeding as possible. Both the sire and the dam of my pup are AKC champions in herding and agility. I got a picture of my pup at 3 weeks and more pictures which I posted here of the pup at 8 weeks. At 12 weeks, she is still the same pup, only bigger and a little less pudgy. She's a wonderful Corgi pup and I am enormously pleased with her. I spent half of what you did for my pup, too. I did a lot of homework before getting her, but that time was well worth it. The result is asleep at my feet with her head on my foot and I call her "Corgette" - NOT "Pisser."

01-04-2006, 10:34 AM	#15
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Warning - Very Long Self-Indulgent Post This time last year I believed that 2005 would be my year. I was already 2 months into a health kick – losing weight, exercising etc. My ex agreed to pay me £2000, and although he attached some weird conditions to it and it wasn't even half of what I believe he owes, I'd mentally written it off in my head already, so it was a pleasant surprise. This and working 6 days a week meant that I finally paid off all my debts – no loan, overdraft, credit card, store card etc. I booked to go speed dating in April and was going to Italy in May for a friend's wedding. In short I felt my life was improving and my hard work meant I could be proud as well as satisfied. Some time between May-July things started slipping. I lost 4 stone but didn't quite reach my target weight, maintained for about a month and then started gaining again. I lost focus, stopped exercising, started eating & drinking more. I dated 3 men I met at speed dating but I just didn't fancy any of them. I went on about 4 dates with one, thinking I might have been judging too quickly, but the spark was never there. I started spending more of my money on drink, which meant I put more weight on. None of the funky clothes I bought earlier in the year fitted me & I started making excuses if I was asked out. I ran out of money halfway through each month anyway, and put off paying bills until the next payday to leave me more money for beer & takeaways. I am now at the highest weight I have ever been in a whole history of yo-yo dieting. I am about £100 behind on bills and haven't had my hair done since September (as I have highlighted hair this shows very clearly). I finally cleaned my flat at the weekend and it took 7 hours to do 3 rooms (I still have the bedroom to do) because it looked like the sort of place a drunk would go to die. I feel like someone has beaten me with a big dirty stick because I pulled all the muscles in my legs & back cleaning. I feel better about going home knowing my living room & kitchen are clean, but last night I slept on the sofa & probably will again tonight because sleeping in the bedroom the way it is makes me disgusted with myself. Anyway – I have lower expectations this year. But I do want 2006 to end better than it started. I think I have taken the first baby steps, but not sure how to keep moving forwards. I need to stop drinking (this is going to be the hardest). Then I believe I can slowly lose some weight, introduce exercise, work on getting out of my flat. At that point I might be capable of looking for love again. Am partly looking for words of wisdom, partly just getting all this off my chest because I won't admit to anyone I know in real life how badly I screwed things up last year.

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