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10-08-2019, 05:01 PM | #1 |
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personhood
Over in the Phliosphy Now Forum a recurring conversation is over the nature of 'person'.
What 'is' a person? What are the qualities or characteristics of 'person'. What makes a human being a person? Why isn't -- for example -- a goldfish a person? When does a human being become a person? One fellow over there posted "Foetuses are no(t) "persons" until they are named and certified by live birth." which, as I said is 'one legitimate (and, in my view, flawed) way to look at personhood.' So: dazzle me with insight & wisdom.
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10-08-2019, 05:16 PM | #2 |
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Person is a label applied from the outside. If you see someone as a person, they are a person. Only your criteria matter in that case. You may not have a structured list of characteristics they must meet. You might just need to feel some empathy toward them.
so .... a Person is someone you can relate to. For whatever reason. It's really a meaningless adjective because the Object (of 'Personhood') is not in control of the distinction.
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10-08-2019, 05:30 PM | #3 |
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"Person is a label applied from the outside."
So: if I see myself, define myself, as 'person' it's meaningless?
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10-08-2019, 06:21 PM | #4 | |
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to everyone other than you, yes. You may see yourself as a person, but if I think you're a monster.... then to me....
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That is: your opinion doesn't overwrite reality. So: is personhood intrinsic or bestowed (that seems to be the question between us)?
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If you're self aware, to you, you're a person. A being. If I see you as a monster or a sociopath, then to me, you're not. It's just a shell game. The term is changeable in meaning depending on the way you use it. Fun.
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10-09-2019, 06:28 AM | #7 |
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Some religious would say intrinsic, then they can drag you down the rabbit hole. No longer checking the religion box, I know my default has shifted some. That consciousness that is so hard to define is cumulative. You gain awareness over time as you gain insight into your own universe. There is no fixed point. We are left with others looking in and assigning personhood. If you are fortunate, you live here and now rather than say Nazi Germany. I work with aged and TBI folks now. Among them there is a desire to live as independently as they can, despite frailty. The fetus is unknowingly on the on-ramp to consciousness they are knowingly on the off-ramp. I love the question Henry, but I can't answer it.
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10-08-2019, 05:38 PM | #8 |
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I think it varies from state to state.
Otherwise, it"s when ya turn 18.
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Personhood requires self-consciousness - being aware of ourselves, and in control of our actions; being able to reason and see why things happen, rather than just experiencing things.
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What about the comatose? It can be argued a comatose person isn't conscious on any level.
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Don't get me wrong: I think you're on to sumthin' with this...
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10-08-2019, 05:57 PM | #12 |
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But they encourage ya to talk to them...
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...like houseplants, now that I think about it.
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OMG!!!
Houseplants are persons!!!
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