Good thing there's laws and locks.

[Spexxvet]

Teen commits suicide in his high school by shooting himself with his father's AK47. Good thing the gun was locked up, and there are laws prohibiting loaded guns being carried on school grounds.

I wonder why he didn't stab himself, jump off a high place, or overdose?

My sympathy is with his friends and family.

[Happy Monkey]

A teen is a bit older than the target of the lock rules.

[chrisinhouston]

A rifle is not the best choice for shooting one's self. Unless it had a relatively short barrel I'm not sure how he could accomplish it. Needless to say it must have been messy.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by chrisinhouston

Unless it had a relatively short barrel I'm not sure how he could accomplish it.

AK barrels aren't all that long; a little over 16 inches. They were designed to be used by motorized infantry and tank crews.

[chrisinhouston]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

AK barrels aren't all that long; a little over 16 inches. They were designed to be used by motorized infantry and tank crews.

Yea but the news article noted only said it was a high power rifle. If it was an AK-47 they should have referred to it as an assault weapon!

Thank our Congress for buckling under to the NRA and keeping assult rifles easy to buy! Hey there sporting weapons aren't they?

Originally Posted by chrisinhouston

Yea but the news article noted only said it was a high power rifle. If it was an AK-47 they should have referred to it as an assault weapon!

Thank our Congress for buckling under to the NRA and keeping assult rifles easy to buy! Hey there sporting weapons aren't they?

There is no difference between a hunting rifle and an assault rifle except the way it looks. One of my hunting rifles is used by police and military snipers . People should speak of what they know.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I wonder why he didn't stab himself, jump off a high place, or overdose?

Because he didn't want to go quietly? He fired five rounds into the ceiling first.

A copycat move, by the way.

[Spexxvet]

It was an AK-47. News reports said that he sawed off the stock.

[tw]

Apparently this was a suicide where the kid took the assult rifle to school, shoot up the ceiling, make no attempt or intent to harm anyone else, then killed himself. That is a dramatic suicide. Why?

Why do some want to show all that they can and want to kill themselves? Why do others simply commit suicide so as to be least known to everyone? Is there something fundamentally different that defines two completely different actions?

I cannot imagine wanting to die so publicly. Why would someone so want to be so public? What is the basic psychology behind these so different actions?

[Griff]

Originally Posted by tw

I cannot imagine wanting to die so publicly. Why would someone so want to be so public? What is the basic psychology behind these so different actions?

I was thinking about the same thing. It may just be the age difference. We had a recent suicide (I don't know if it is official yet) where a woman took her husbands insulin and went into the river. I think maybe when some teens want out they blame the world around them whereas some adults just tire of despair. Its the difference between doing something thats supposed to be acting outward or acting inward. They both miss there mark though since suicide impacts both you and those around you no matter what your intent. I can't imagine a violent suicide but drowning in cold water doesn't seem so bad. This is not a cry for help, just an observation.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Griff

I was thinking about the same thing. It may just be the age difference. We had a recent suicide (I don't know if it is official yet) where a woman took her husbands insulin and went into the river. I think maybe when some teens want out they blame the world around them whereas some adults just tire of despair.

I had not even considered the age difference as a factor. However I am hoping wolf can pull up another sample of reading on this matter (she already did some destructive postings to my assumptions concerning pedophilia).

Previously child suicides were by 'lessers' who wanted to take others with them. This one involves a very accomplished and goal oriented student. Obviously, we don't have sufficient details to make any conclusions. So the question is really what are those missing details; what makes those details so more relevant?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by tw

Apparently this was a suicide where the kid took the assult rifle to school, shoot up the ceiling, make no attempt or intent to harm anyone else, then killed himself. That is a dramatic suicide. Why?

Why do some want to show all that they can and want to kill themselves? Why do others simply commit suicide so as to be least known to everyone? Is there something fundamentally different that defines two completely different actions?

I cannot imagine wanting to die so publicly. Why would someone so want to be so public? What is the basic psychology behind these so different actions?

Who is this posting, and what did you do with tw? No Bush-slamming tie-in? No evil Iraq war reference? W....T.....F...?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Who is this posting, and what did you do with tw? No Bush-slamming tie-in? No evil Iraq war reference? W....T.....F...?

'Bashing a mental midget' and posts in this discussion come from the same 'but what are the facts' attitude and demands. In the case of George Jr, his lies, the self serving agenda, hate for the troops, and a long term destruction to America were then and are now even more obvious. But this topic of suicide - asking why rather than hyped by 'how do you feel' or 'how did his fellow students feel' - remains a question almost completely devoid of facts.

What changed? In this case, so many are so emotional over the incident as to not ask that which is important. Why did and does this happen? What are details that never get reported by the 'local gossip'? As Griff noted, does age (adult mind verses a child or adult child mind) have significant factors?

There was definitely more going on than just what was reported. Much more than him being pissed about not "going to after school activities", I promise you that.