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Big Brother gets a little bigger
F.B.I. and States Vastly Expand DNA Databases
By SOLOMON MOORE Published: April 18, 2009 Quote:
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yep. They get a DNA sample now in this country, even if you are just taken in for questioning. You don't have to be arrested, let alone convicted for your DNA and finger prints to be registered on the national database.
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“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
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"Sixteen states now take DNA from some who have been found guilty of misdemeanors."
I am pretty sure our state is one of them.
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I don't have a problem with the government taking my DNA if I ever get arrested. For one thing, if I'm a law abiding citizen, what do I have to worry about? For another, if I somehow become a criminal then the state has every right to try and stop me from offending...and I suppose I have the right to try and avoid capture.
Also, surely it can only help fight crime if the police have more information. So someone gets picked up on a misdemeanor, then they find they've got DNA from the same person or fingerprints from a crimescene that match? Why is it so bad that the police should have access to this type of technology? I'm all for it. It's about time too imo.
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My concern is that, when something that you're doing, today, that is legal, is made illegal, tomorrow, they already have the framework in place to track you, and you agreed with implementing it. You don't ever get to tear down that process when it dawns on you, later on, that it wasn't a good idea. The politicians of tomorrow can use the tools that the politicians of today put in place, for whatever purpose they see fit at that time. We can't control that from the present. I think that criminalization of harmless acts is part of the natural tendency to try to control a massive, ever-growing population--not through some nefarious scheme, but as a natural, gradual drift towards replacing chaos and disorder with strict, inflexible systems.
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The DNA database worries me. Far more than CCTV, or people looking into my emails or tracking my mobile phone use (not saying I necessarily approve of all those things, but I don't get a cold chill from them). DNA is about as fundamental and personal as it gets. And I worry at the attitude that seems to be forming within our society that somehow DNA evidence is to be considered absolute and incontrovertable proof. Mainly though, I dont much like the idea of my government owning such deeply personal information about me. |
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I have mixed feelings about it. They have my DNA from service, anyone who is in the armed forces has been giving them DNA samples since the early 90's. And in the long run it is not so much that they have is as it is what are they really going to do with it. It is like a high tech national ID card. As long as it is used exclusively for criminal investigations I guess it is not a bad thing. But if they were to expand it to other aspects of registration I would have a problem with it. Like I said, they already have mine.
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I subscribe to the idea that information should be taken/given on a need to know basis.
Government is like water. It expands into the space that's not occupied by something else. If we abandon our right against illegal search and seizure then the government will gladly scoop it up.
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Agreed.
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I was thinking hot air, but water works too.
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I don't have a problem with it as long as it is used by law enforcement. The only problem I would have with it is if insurance cos start using it to keep from having to treat people, or businesses started using it for some other nefarious reasons. If we solve the health care crisis, that really shouldn't be an issue anymore though. As for business, as long as they put in really strict regulations, that shouldn't be a problem either. I think what we need to do, NOW, is decide to regulate new technology and information systems as they are developed, so they don't blow up in our faces, as has happened with the economic crisis and the ways in which people used new ideas and deregultion to rob us blind. We have been brainwashed for sooooo long that any kind of regulation is bad, and stifles business and the markets, that we have forgotten to protect ourselves from the thieves at the door.
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What if they said they needed to collect it for every person who uses medical pot? Gun owners? Doctors who perform abortions? Child care workers? Where does it end?
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If they are going to collect DNA to build a database, everyone should have to donate it. Otherwise it is discrimination. But it should only be able to be used in the pursuit of a serious crime, like murder or rape or burglery or arson, stuff like that.
Smoking pot? No, it should not be used for that. That isn't even a crime in some states anymore. They just give you a ticket, like a parking ticket. If Reagan hadn't come into office and made the laws so much stiffer against pot, it would probably be completely legal now. Carter was on the way to legalizing it, when someone in his cabinet was caught with cocaine, and that was such an embarrassment he kind of abandoned the whole legalization thing about pot. |
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What if they had your DNA and planted it at the crime scene of a murdered Dweller whom you argued with online?
What recourse would you have? ORLY? I hadn't heard that one.
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