Iranian thugs killing protestors

Undertoad · 06-25-2009, 07:34 AM

Beating women to a pulp. Throwing them off pedestrian bridges. Killing people with axes. Fuuuck

Snipers taking out protesters

Griff · 06-25-2009, 09:11 AM

What can we do to help? They've got to pull these bastards down.

TheMercenary · 06-25-2009, 10:02 AM

Unfortunately we can do nothing. The US public would never support any intervention after the years in Iraq and now Afganistan. Any intervention on our part will strengthen the hardliners positions.

Griff · 06-25-2009, 10:47 AM

I was thinking of more of a people to people thing... assistance keeping information flowing, ..server space? You're right about a Fed Gov intervention being fodder for the nuts. Bottom line it is their fight, I hope they have the depth of support they need.

piercehawkeye45 · 06-25-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Unfortunately we can do nothing. The US public would never support any intervention after the years in Iraq and now Afganistan. Any intervention on our part will strengthen the hardliners positions.

Yup, plus, it would throw Iran back into extreme conservative Islam mode. Right now there is a major split between the urban and rural areas of Iran and the last thing the US wants to do is to unite them. The US probably accomplished what it wanted from this, get the Iranian people to believe they have the power to overthrow the government and scare the clerics. This was accomplished.

The most intervention I can see is a bombing of nuclear sites but Israel will most likely take care of that if anything is going to happen.

Beestie · 06-25-2009, 01:56 PM

The Iranians need to take care of this themselves. They can pull it off if they make up their mind to. At this point, I don't think their conviction is strong enough to try it so I suspect things will be back to status quo in a couple weeks.

ZenGum · 06-26-2009, 01:30 AM

I hate the religious nutcase bastards.
But I don't think the protestors have either the nerve, the organisation, the weapons, or the numbers, to make a successful revolution.
And what I guess will happen is that the genie will be stomped back into the bottle, then over the next year or two the clerics and their thugs will be extra ruthless in dealing with any reformers, progressives, etc.
The failure of this revolution will probably set the cause of revolution back. The only positive I take from this is that many, many Iranian people ahve seen that the electionw as a fraud, have seen that their government is a tyranny clingin to power by violence, and discontent will fester and spread. There WILL be another round, but it's going to be a while coming.

Unless we point out to the Iranians that when a country allows an election to be stolen by a religious whacko with a beligerent foreign policy, that country does not prosper in the long term. If only we had an example....

Urbane Guerrilla · 06-30-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

I hate the religious nutcase bastards.

Unless we point out to the Iranians that when a country allows an election to be stolen by a religious whacko with a beligerent foreign policy, that country does not prosper in the long term. If only we had an example....

The example we have is the present Iranian government, of course. This is also the example they will be least responsive to, being too close to the problem.

P.S.: Zen, do not imagine for one second I wasn't getting what you were hinting at. I just discount it as complete BS. W could hardly be described as astoundingly religious, but more nearly a standard-issue American Episcopalian. It's the sort and style of religion you've at least heard of. -- UG

sugarpop · 07-02-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

I hate the religious nutcase bastards.
But I don't think the protestors have either the nerve, the organisation, the weapons, or the numbers, to make a successful revolution.
And what I guess will happen is that the genie will be stomped back into the bottle, then over the next year or two the clerics and their thugs will be extra ruthless in dealing with any reformers, progressives, etc.
The failure of this revolution will probably set the cause of revolution back. The only positive I take from this is that many, many Iranian people ahve seen that the electionw as a fraud, have seen that their government is a tyranny clingin to power by violence, and discontent will fester and spread. There WILL be another round, but it's going to be a while coming.

Unless we point out to the Iranians that when a country allows an election to be stolen by a religious whacko with a beligerent foreign policy, that country does not prosper in the long term. If only we had an example....

I have more faith in the Iranian people than that. OTOH, (I believe it was) Reza Aslan said the other day that Iran was at a turning point, and it would either end up like N. Korea, or China. Every person of Iranian descent that I have seen speak about this on TV has agreed the Iran of yesterday is no more. It will never be the same. That could be very good, or very bad.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-06-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

I have more faith in the Iranian people than that. OTOH, (I believe it was) Reza Aslan said the other day that Iran was at a turning point, and it would either end up like N. Korea, or China. Every person of Iranian descent that I have seen speak about this on TV has agreed the Iran of yesterday is no more. It will never be the same. That could be very good, or very bad.

I am uncomfortable comparing Iran to any other past country because it is so different from any other country. There are two polarized forces tearing Iran apart at the moment, liberalizing youth urban population and militarized government, each of which can swing Iran in any different direction. Though unfortunately, the military and Revolutionary Guard are both conservative and for limitation so an overthrow of the current government is not a realistic option at the moment.

sugarpop · 07-07-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I am uncomfortable comparing Iran to any other past country because it is so different from any other country. There are two polarized forces tearing Iran apart at the moment, liberalizing youth urban population and militarized government, each of which can swing Iran in any different direction. Though unfortunately, the military and Revolutionary Guard are both conservative and for limitation so an overthrow of the current government is not a realistic option at the moment.

What was meant by that statement, is Iran could become even more reclusive and militarized (i.e. N. Korea) or it could become more open, democratic and capitalist (i.e. China).

TheMercenary · 06-26-2009, 09:10 AM

Well stated Zen. I agree completely.

Shawnee123 · 06-26-2009, 11:56 AM

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Unless we point out to the Iranians that when a country allows an election to be stolen by a religious whacko with a beligerent foreign policy, that country does not prosper in the long term. If only we had an example....

Haggis squared.

Urbane Guerrilla · 06-30-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Haggis squared.

The haggis-and-oatmeal set bid pretty fair to take over the British Crown in 1745. The hard way.

TheMercenary · 06-27-2009, 11:03 AM

Pics from a link from Bruce's post on the volcano.

Pics from the protests in Iran:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/200...k_in_iran.html

06-25-2009, 07:34 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Iranian thugs killing protestors Beating women to a pulp. Throwing them off pedestrian bridges. Killing people with axes. Fuuuck Snipers taking out protesters

06-25-2009, 09:11 AM	#2
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	What can we do to help? They've got to pull these bastards down. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-25-2009, 10:02 AM	#3
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Unfortunately we can do nothing. The US public would never support any intervention after the years in Iraq and now Afganistan. Any intervention on our part will strengthen the hardliners positions. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

06-25-2009, 10:47 AM	#4
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I was thinking of more of a people to people thing... assistance keeping information flowing, ..server space? You're right about a Fed Gov intervention being fodder for the nuts. Bottom line it is their fight, I hope they have the depth of support they need. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-25-2009, 01:56 PM	#6
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	The Iranians need to take care of this themselves. They can pull it off if they make up their mind to. At this point, I don't think their conviction is strong enough to try it so I suspect things will be back to status quo in a couple weeks. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

06-26-2009, 01:30 AM	#7
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I hate the religious nutcase bastards. But I don't think the protestors have either the nerve, the organisation, the weapons, or the numbers, to make a successful revolution. And what I guess will happen is that the genie will be stomped back into the bottle, then over the next year or two the clerics and their thugs will be extra ruthless in dealing with any reformers, progressives, etc. The failure of this revolution will probably set the cause of revolution back. The only positive I take from this is that many, many Iranian people ahve seen that the electionw as a fraud, have seen that their government is a tyranny clingin to power by violence, and discontent will fester and spread. There WILL be another round, but it's going to be a while coming. Unless we point out to the Iranians that when a country allows an election to be stolen by a religious whacko with a beligerent foreign policy, that country does not prosper in the long term. If only we had an example.... __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

06-26-2009, 09:10 AM	#12
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Well stated Zen. I agree completely. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

06-27-2009, 11:03 AM	#15
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Pics from a link from Bruce's post on the volcano. Pics from the protests in Iran: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/200...k_in_iran.html __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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