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09-03-2005, 08:47 AM | #1 |
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Are We Looking at Anarchy in New Orleans?
I don't think we're looking at anarchy in New Orleans. We are looking at government failure in the extreme.
Folks in the Big Easy have lived under the impression that they were being looked after by the Army Corp of Engineers with backup from Local, State, and Federal government. The Engineers knew what needed to be done but they couldn't get the resources to do it. This is a direct result of placing an urgent need before the most remote level of government. It looked like a good idea when they were passing the cost off on the rest of the country but it obviously wasn't since the rest of the country didn't see it as a priority, it was too remote from them. The people of New Orleans were given a false sense of security because the believed that government would take care of them. Considering the level of corruption in the State it is suprising to us on the outside that they could harbor such beliefs, but they probably assumed that corruption would be limited to non-life-threatening areas, now they know better. We are looking at the result of government intervention not the lack of it. Transitioning to anarchy would be ugly like this but actual anarchy could be far better. At this minute, I'm with the minarchists, have the government do the things that need to be done, like diaster relief, but avoid growing a bureaucracy that stupidily prevents real need from being addressed. Keeping responsibility as local as possible would have helped this stuation. Each level of government has been pushing responsibility up the ladder toward, in this case, someone who doesn't give a shit.
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09-03-2005, 11:20 PM | #2 |
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What we're looking at is desert-island anarchy. Anarchy doesn't work so well on a desert island. Then again, neither does government.
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09-04-2005, 12:27 AM | #3 |
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While anarchy ala New Orleans has little appeal for me (or, I suspect, for anyone else, either), I'm darn near ready to join Radar in over-throwing the current federal government. Its gotten us into a very expensive, highly questionable foreign war, negelected the country's infra-sturcture so the New Orleans disaster could be notched up a few levels of magnitude, completely botched the rescue of our own people, and probably set us up to have a very nice economic recession starting any second now. We'd have been better off with no federal government at all which I think is sort of what Griff is saying.
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BTW, the "Let's not turn this into politics, but FYI we did everything right and the other guys were wrong." statements have already started. At this point Karl is desperately searching the Internet for pictures of the head of the Corps of Engineers screwing a sheep so that he has something to discredit him when the fact comes out of what was recommended versus what was actually funded. It does look like the Corps was preparing, but were waiting on FEMA. The $100 billion dollar question is who or what held them back. From here Quote:
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09-04-2005, 10:05 AM | #6 |
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John Titor said we'd enter a civil war in the last part of 2005.
Perhaps this is the catalyst?
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09-05-2005, 11:59 PM | #7 |
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Look for them to rebuild on pretty much the same site, maybe just maybe with grade improvements, though probably not over all the flooded area, and perhaps more autonomous pumping stations with either their own power or power supplies designed to be uninterruptible by water.
Houses on stilts tend to be in places that aren't prone to hurricane or typhoon, so I'm not sure how that would work out. Go stilting the buildings in the Mississippi Delta and you'd have to design them to resist high wind as well as high water. I end up thinking welded structural steel.
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09-23-2005, 08:48 AM | #8 |
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I think you should all go look up what anarchy means. This country ran very smoothly in a state of anarchy for 257 years, counting from the first colony in 1507 to the publication of Common Sense by Thomas Paine in 1764. During that time the people prospered greatly, maintained peace, and defended their borders even against very powerful foes. The bible describes a peiod of about the same duration when the hebrews lived in anarchy with similar results.
Since some of you won't bother to click on http://dictionary.com and type in "anarchy", I will explain it: anarchy means "without leaders". The problem in New Orleans, and in the nation as well, is that we DO have leaders and they aren't worthy of our trust. Well, what else could we expect? Barry Goldwater was the last presidential candidate with good character, and he got trounced. The party leaders are not stupid; they will not make that mistake again. |
09-23-2005, 08:58 AM | #9 |
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That's one definition. M-W also defines anarchy as "a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority".
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09-24-2005, 07:28 AM | #12 |
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Jimmy Carter was a nice guy and underappreciated, but I never percieved him as having a strong character.
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09-24-2005, 07:52 AM | #14 |
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I don't know what you mean by strong, but everything he's done since being President (ie, while I've been aware of him) has shown a very good character.
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Carter is actually a decent poet, too. No wonder he got treated the way he did! I'd say he has incredible strength of character. I met him once. It was at a book signing at the The Tattered Cover Bookstore in Denver. Everyone was going up politely to have their books signed and when it came my turn, I said to Carter, "You are the president I most admire! God bless you!" And I stuck out my hand to President Carter to the mild consternation of his secret service guys. Jimmy just grinned and reached out his hand in return to shake mine and I got a personal inscription on my book - not just a signature!
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