Majority rule.

regular.joe · 12-20-2007, 07:49 AM

Lets pretend for a minute that our system of electing the president in the U.S. is not the electoral college.

If less then 50 percent of eligible voters vote. Then the president is really elected by a majority of the minority.

It has been my observation that the majority rarely rules, ever, in any system.

Ibby · 12-20-2007, 09:09 AM

Fuck majority rule.

Oh wait, minority rule is worse. Fuck that too.

In fact, fuck 'rule' altogether.
There we go.

regular.joe · 12-20-2007, 09:32 AM

Ibram, you're coming across a little angry this morning.

I've been mulling a lot on things I've been reading on here, and elsewhere. I think we have one of the best deals going, here in the states, having been a few other places. Europe, the middle east, and south of the border.

I don't think that 90 to 98 % of laws are made for the majority of our population. For instance, in most if not all countries it is illegal to commit murder. The majority of the population does not commit murder. In thinking about this it struck me that our laws and elected officials are not made by the majority either. This looks like me, to be the norm around the world, historically as well.

Doesn't have much to do with anything important. Just thinking "out loud" a little today.

ZenGum · 12-20-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by regular.joe

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I don't think that 90 to 98 % of laws are made for the majority of our population. For instance, in most if not all countries it is illegal to commit murder. The majority of the population does not commit murder.

But surely the majority of the population don't want to be murdered. This law is "for" them.

Meh, there must be plenty of other examples that better illustrate your point. Find some obscure law controlling the import of some agricultural product - thus protecting a tiny number of farmers at the expense of the majority of consumers.

TheMercenary · 12-20-2007, 12:56 PM

Even with all it's faults the elimination of the electoral college would be a bad thing for rural states.

regular.joe · 12-20-2007, 01:43 PM

I'm not lobbying for the elimination of the electoral college. I don' think the average joe really knows how the president is elected in our country.

Which wasn't my point either. I'm not sure I had a point, well maybe that the majority rarely is the push behind any government action. Anywhere.

smoothmoniker · 12-20-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by regular.joe

I'm not lobbying for the elimination of the electoral college. I don' think the average joe really knows how the president is elected in our country.

I think that was probably true pre-2000, before Florida and the hanging chads. I don't think it's true today. I bet I could head down to the mall and get a moderately accurate explanation of the electoral college system from 7 out of 10 random people.

classicman · 12-20-2007, 03:34 PM

lol - I'll take that bet, smoothmoniker. They may have known for a little while, but not too much anymore. They are more interested in the happenings of Britney and Paris and the like.

glatt · 12-20-2007, 03:40 PM

Well, sure. "They" are always dumb. Those others. Not like us. We're the smart ones.

classicman · 12-20-2007, 03:46 PM

"The Cellar: We know you are, but what are we?"

PhuctIfiNo · 12-20-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

We're the smart ones.

Who is we?

What makes we the smart ones?

glatt · 12-20-2007, 05:41 PM

Don't worry, you're one of us. Not one of them.

PhuctIfiNo · 12-20-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

you're one of us.

Ok, as long as I'm included, no objection.

smoothmoniker · 12-20-2007, 06:02 PM

Any conversation about politics that starts with the presumption of the stupidity of the masses will inevitably lead to some very scary conclusions. After all, if the wisdom of the few exceeds the wisdom of the many, then don't we few wise ones have an obligation to enact our wise plans, for the benefit of those foolish masses?

Griff · 12-20-2007, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

...our wise plans,

Nicely put.

12-20-2007, 07:49 AM	#1
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	Majority rule. Lets pretend for a minute that our system of electing the president in the U.S. is not the electoral college. If less then 50 percent of eligible voters vote. Then the president is really elected by a majority of the minority. It has been my observation that the majority rarely rules, ever, in any system. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

12-20-2007, 09:09 AM	#2
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Fuck majority rule. Oh wait, minority rule is worse. Fuck that too. In fact, fuck 'rule' altogether. There we go. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

12-20-2007, 09:32 AM	#3
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	Ibram, you're coming across a little angry this morning. I've been mulling a lot on things I've been reading on here, and elsewhere. I think we have one of the best deals going, here in the states, having been a few other places. Europe, the middle east, and south of the border. I don't think that 90 to 98 % of laws are made for the majority of our population. For instance, in most if not all countries it is illegal to commit murder. The majority of the population does not commit murder. In thinking about this it struck me that our laws and elected officials are not made by the majority either. This looks like me, to be the norm around the world, historically as well. Doesn't have much to do with anything important. Just thinking "out loud" a little today. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

12-20-2007, 12:56 PM	#5
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Even with all it's faults the elimination of the electoral college would be a bad thing for rural states. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

12-20-2007, 01:43 PM	#6
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	I'm not lobbying for the elimination of the electoral college. I don' think the average joe really knows how the president is elected in our country. Which wasn't my point either. I'm not sure I had a point, well maybe that the majority rarely is the push behind any government action. Anywhere. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

12-20-2007, 03:34 PM	#8
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	lol - I'll take that bet, smoothmoniker. They may have known for a little while, but not too much anymore. They are more interested in the happenings of Britney and Paris and the like. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-20-2007, 03:40 PM	#9
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Well, sure. "They" are always dumb. Those others. Not like us. We're the smart ones.

12-20-2007, 03:46 PM	#10
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	"The Cellar: We know you are, but what are we?" __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-20-2007, 05:41 PM	#12
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Don't worry, you're one of us. Not one of them.

12-20-2007, 06:02 PM	#14
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	Any conversation about politics that starts with the presumption of the stupidity of the masses will inevitably lead to some very scary conclusions. After all, if the wisdom of the few exceeds the wisdom of the many, then don't we few wise ones have an obligation to enact our wise plans, for the benefit of those foolish masses? __________________ to live and die in LA

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