Have you changed your vote? - Page 4

classicman · 10-10-2008, 11:50 AM

I bow to the Jinx - she is right on. Get the feds outta this!

dar512 · 10-10-2008, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx

I would think that private charities, run by real people with real common sense, would do a better job than impersonal government workers whos hands are tied by red tape.

Good point.

Shawnee123 · 10-10-2008, 11:59 AM

Except that government workers aren't robots, they too are real people with real common sense, but they are, as you say, tied up in red tape and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.

I like the idea of a private agency being able to say "yeah, you've blown it...no more free ride for you" but then you get into personalities, it becomes subjective.

A federal (so I'm sure is true for other govt agencies) regulation states that we are not allowed to treat any student any differently than any other...so if I LIKE someone I can't push them to the front of the "line" and if I don't like someone I can't push them to the back. It's the ONLY way to assure that it's fair and unbiased.

Though it hardly ever seems fair.

I've seen too much and have become quite jaded.

HungLikeJesus · 10-10-2008, 12:09 PM

I just had this image of Shawnee tied up in red tape.

Shawnee123 · 10-10-2008, 12:17 PM

Can you use that bubble gum tape stuff? Then I can chew my way out.

Pico and ME · 10-10-2008, 12:18 PM

Edible Bondage!

TheMercenary · 10-10-2008, 01:06 PM

1972 - Nixon (R) vs. McGovern (D)
1976 - Carter (D) vs. Ford (R)
1980 - Reagan (R) vs. Carter (D)
1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D)
1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D)
1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R)
1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R)
2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D)
2004 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Kerry (D)

Bold==my vote
First candidate==winner

dar512 · 10-10-2008, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R)
Bold==my vote
First candidate==winner

I thought Bush Sr. did an ok job. What made you decide to vote for Clinton?

HungLikeJesus · 10-10-2008, 01:30 PM

TheMercenary only votes for winners.

glatt · 10-10-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512

I thought Bush Sr. did an ok job. What made you decide to vote for Clinton?

I bet it was 6 words. "Read my lips. No new taxes."

TheMercenary · 10-10-2008, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512

I thought Bush Sr. did an ok job. What made you decide to vote for Clinton?

Most of my votes have been anti votes, well except for Regan. I just thought the other guy sucked more. The first time I voted for Clinton I just wanted something different, change. But that was almost 20 yrs ago. Since I was on AD at the time it was not until I voted for him the second time that I realized I had made a huge mistake because he really desimated and demoralized the military.

Undertoad · 10-10-2008, 01:44 PM

1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D)
1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D) vs. Paul (L)
1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R) vs. Marrou (L)
1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R) vs. Browne (L)
2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D)
2004 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Kerry (D)

Bold==my vote
First candidate==winner

Shawnee123 · 10-10-2008, 02:42 PM

1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D)
1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D)
1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R)
1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R)
2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D)
2004 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Kerry (D)

Bold==my vote
First candidate==winner

BigV · 10-10-2008, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx

I would think that private charities, run by real people with real common sense, would do a better job than impersonal government workers whos hands are tied by red tape.

If the state did a better job at all the private shit it involves itself in it would make sense to leave it up to them... but really, look around...

Agreed. In their much much smaller sphere of influence. Why? For a couple reasons, at least. The distance between delivering the assistance and receiving the resources to provide that support is much shorter. The lets the feedback loop (hey, weren't you here last week?) be shorter and more viable. Also, the smaller system is likely to have someone delivering the assistance who has more authority to use their judgment to act in the best interest of the charity and the individual. Governments are notoriously hierarchical and notoriously allergic to pushing authority down the chain.

Just because in some circumstances private charities can do better that the government doesn't mean that government shouldn't do charitable-like work.

monster · 10-10-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juniper

If you’re 20 and not a Liberal, you have no heart. If you’re 40 and not a Conservative, you have no brain.
— Sir Winston Churchill

I'm 40.
---Juniper

But do you have a brain?

US politics in general is so far the the right of UK politics, I'm not sure you can really apply Winston's quote here

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10-10-2008, 11:50 AM	#46
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I bow to the Jinx - she is right on. Get the feds outta this! __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-10-2008, 11:59 AM	#48
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Except that government workers aren't robots, they too are real people with real common sense, but they are, as you say, tied up in red tape and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. I like the idea of a private agency being able to say "yeah, you've blown it...no more free ride for you" but then you get into personalities, it becomes subjective. A federal (so I'm sure is true for other govt agencies) regulation states that we are not allowed to treat any student any differently than any other...so if I LIKE someone I can't push them to the front of the "line" and if I don't like someone I can't push them to the back. It's the ONLY way to assure that it's fair and unbiased. Though it hardly ever seems fair. I've seen too much and have become quite jaded. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby Last edited by Shawnee123; 10-10-2008 at 12:17 PM. Reason: clarify

10-10-2008, 12:09 PM	#49
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	I just had this image of Shawnee tied up in red tape. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

10-10-2008, 12:17 PM	#50
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Can you use that bubble gum tape stuff? Then I can chew my way out. Attached Images __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-10-2008, 12:18 PM	#51
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Edible Bondage!

10-10-2008, 01:06 PM	#52
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	1972 - Nixon (R) vs. McGovern (D) 1976 - Carter (D) vs. Ford (R) 1980 - Reagan (R) vs. Carter (D) 1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D) 1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D) 1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R) 1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R) 2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D) 2004 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Kerry (D) Bold==my vote First candidate==winner __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-10-2008, 01:30 PM	#54
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	TheMercenary only votes for winners. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

10-10-2008, 01:44 PM	#57
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D) 1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D) vs. Paul (L) 1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R) vs. Marrou (L) 1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R) vs. Browne (L) 2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D) 2004 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Kerry (D) Bold==my vote First candidate==winner

10-10-2008, 02:42 PM	#58
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D) 1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D) 1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R) 1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R) 2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D) 2004 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Kerry (D) Bold==my vote First candidate==winner __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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