While you're all outraged about the bailout... - Page 9

TGRR · 04-08-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

Help me , Obiwan....you are my only hope.

Fuck that. I'm too busy with some three-titted woman I found in the Mos Eisley Cantina.

Obiwan,
Pimp.

sugarpop · 04-10-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Obama Wants to Control the Banks
There's a reason he refuses to accept repayment of TARP money.

Just an opinion piece, but an interesting one.

The government had said over and over that they will take the money back, IF the banks are solvent and there is no danger of a future catastrophe. that makes sense to me. They are in the process of doing "stress tests" on the banks. After those are over, I imagine they will be taking some money back.

I was on the phone with BoA the other day and the girl I was speaking with said they have started repaying the money. I wonder if that was true.

classicman · 04-10-2009, 01:14 PM

Did you read the actual link and the rest of the conversation sugar?

sugarpop · 04-10-2009, 01:32 PM

I read the article on another forum, and yes, I did read all the responses from the past few days about this.

#1, Rick Wagoner should have been fired ages ago. The fact that GM came grovelling to Washington for taxpayers to bail them out made Washington in effect the BOD. The board has the power to fire someone who is ineffectual, which is what happened here, and IMO should happen at some banks as well. If GM had not confiscated and crushed all the electric cars they made back in the 90s, they might be on top right now. But no, they made stupid decisions and inferior cars, and now they are in trouble. As for cars, fuel efficient cars should be mandated, for health reasons, and for national security reasons. Anyone who doesn't get that is just stupid.

#2, something needs to be done about executive pay. We have been needing this for a very, very long time. I am hoping they extend it to all companies, not just those taking TARP money.

#3, Class warfare was declared on the middle class years ago. It's time the middle class got someone in their corner fighting back for them, since they really have no power to do it themselves, other than taking up arms and fighting a bloody revolution against corporations and government, for not looking out for their interests.

#4, it is friggin' ridiculous to think Obama actually wants to control banks. IMO he isn't going far enough. If the people in charge had been doing their jobs this crisis would not have happened. So, if capitalism loses ground to socialism, they can only blame themselves. And hip hip hooray.

classicman · 04-10-2009, 02:03 PM

Then you know the Gov't REFUSED to take the money back in this case, right?

sugarpop · 04-10-2009, 06:01 PM

No I don't. I don't know what the circumstances were, because the writer did not tell us. the writer did not even tell us which bank it was. If the government is not taking the money back right now, when they are taking from other banks, there must be a reason.

Oh, and since the bank was threatened with an audit if they didn't take the money, and that's why they took the money (because they didn't want an audit), it makes me wonder what they were hiding.

Bad Luck McGhee · 04-13-2009, 10:42 PM

This is the most laughable idea I've seen in a while. I have a friend who teaches at an inner city public school and she can't even get her students to do homework. The teachers don't even bother assigning it because they basically get the middle finger because the students know that they can't do anything except fail them for the assignment...which they don't care about anyway. There is no physical way for the government to force all young people everywhere in this country to do anything. One of the students in her class spelled the word energy as ANOGEY. It took us about 10 minutes to figure out what the hell it was supposed to be because they don't even write in complete sentences. I am horrified that there are people in this country with inadequate education who can barely read who will be one day expected to become decision making adults and contributors to society in a positive way. We aren't adequately addressing the most basic problems that our country is dealing with right now, so who gives a damn about "baby boomers" volunteering?

sugarpop · 04-16-2009, 12:54 AM

I agree. The schools are a mess. Teachers have no power. It really is ridiculous, what it's come to. I think they should just expel all the ones who aren't there to learn.

Aliantha · 04-16-2009, 12:55 AM

There are some schools over here considering bringing back corporal punishment.

I think this is a good idea, but then, I also have been known to give my kids a smack when they're being naughty.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-16-2009, 02:38 AM

Maybe it's time that no child has a behind left.

piercehawkeye45 · 04-17-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

I agree. The schools are a mess. Teachers have no power. It really is ridiculous, what it's come to. I think they should just expel all the ones who aren't there to learn.

Eh, the will just be on the streets a few years earlier...

Inner city kids will listen to teachers that they respect (like non-inner city kids

). But that category fits so few it really causes problems.

sugarpop · 04-18-2009, 09:40 PM

Well, in Savannah the kids do not listen to any teachers, for the most part. It is a small minority causing the problems though. Those kids should be kicked out, or they should have "boot camp" classes for the troublemakers, or something. It isn't fair to the rest of the kids.

TheMercenary · 04-19-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

Well, in Savannah the kids do not listen to any teachers, for the most part. It is a small minority causing the problems though. Those kids should be kicked out, or they should have "boot camp" classes for the troublemakers, or something. It isn't fair to the rest of the kids.

Can you imagine the liberal outcry? The parents of those kids would claim racism.

classicman · 04-19-2009, 11:56 AM

They're just misunderstood Merc.

sugarpop · 04-19-2009, 02:36 PM

So what? If they're causing trouble they're causing trouble. I don't care what color their skin is. As long as the rules are applied fairly across the board, no one can bitch about anything. Make sure the rules are understood every year beforehand. It might not be such a bad idea to put cameras in the classrooms either, for proof of misbehavior.

04-10-2009, 01:14 PM	#123
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Did you read the actual link and the rest of the conversation sugar? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-10-2009, 02:03 PM	#125
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Then you know the Gov't REFUSED to take the money back in this case, right? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-16-2009, 12:55 AM	#129
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	There are some schools over here considering bringing back corporal punishment. I think this is a good idea, but then, I also have been known to give my kids a smack when they're being naughty. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

04-16-2009, 02:38 AM	#130
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Maybe it's time that no child has a behind left. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-19-2009, 11:56 AM	#134
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	They're just misunderstood Merc. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-10-2009, 01:32 PM	#124
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	I read the article on another forum, and yes, I did read all the responses from the past few days about this. #1, Rick Wagoner should have been fired ages ago. The fact that GM came grovelling to Washington for taxpayers to bail them out made Washington in effect the BOD. The board has the power to fire someone who is ineffectual, which is what happened here, and IMO should happen at some banks as well. If GM had not confiscated and crushed all the electric cars they made back in the 90s, they might be on top right now. But no, they made stupid decisions and inferior cars, and now they are in trouble. As for cars, fuel efficient cars should be mandated, for health reasons, and for national security reasons. Anyone who doesn't get that is just stupid. #2, something needs to be done about executive pay. We have been needing this for a very, very long time. I am hoping they extend it to all companies, not just those taking TARP money. #3, Class warfare was declared on the middle class years ago. It's time the middle class got someone in their corner fighting back for them, since they really have no power to do it themselves, other than taking up arms and fighting a bloody revolution against corporations and government, for not looking out for their interests. #4, it is friggin' ridiculous to think Obama actually wants to control banks. IMO he isn't going far enough. If the people in charge had been doing their jobs this crisis would not have happened. So, if capitalism loses ground to socialism, they can only blame themselves. And hip hip hooray.

04-10-2009, 06:01 PM	#126
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	No I don't. I don't know what the circumstances were, because the writer did not tell us. the writer did not even tell us which bank it was. If the government is not taking the money back right now, when they are taking from other banks, there must be a reason. Oh, and since the bank was threatened with an audit if they didn't take the money, and that's why they took the money (because they didn't want an audit), it makes me wonder what they were hiding.

04-13-2009, 10:42 PM	#127
Bad Luck McGhee Questionist Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Planet Earth...mostly Posts: 8	This is the most laughable idea I've seen in a while. I have a friend who teaches at an inner city public school and she can't even get her students to do homework. The teachers don't even bother assigning it because they basically get the middle finger because the students know that they can't do anything except fail them for the assignment...which they don't care about anyway. There is no physical way for the government to force all young people everywhere in this country to do anything. One of the students in her class spelled the word energy as ANOGEY. It took us about 10 minutes to figure out what the hell it was supposed to be because they don't even write in complete sentences. I am horrified that there are people in this country with inadequate education who can barely read who will be one day expected to become decision making adults and contributors to society in a positive way. We aren't adequately addressing the most basic problems that our country is dealing with right now, so who gives a damn about "baby boomers" volunteering?

04-16-2009, 12:54 AM	#128
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	I agree. The schools are a mess. Teachers have no power. It really is ridiculous, what it's come to. I think they should just expel all the ones who aren't there to learn.

04-18-2009, 09:40 PM	#132
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Well, in Savannah the kids do not listen to any teachers, for the most part. It is a small minority causing the problems though. Those kids should be kicked out, or they should have "boot camp" classes for the troublemakers, or something. It isn't fair to the rest of the kids.

04-19-2009, 02:36 PM	#135
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	So what? If they're causing trouble they're causing trouble. I don't care what color their skin is. As long as the rules are applied fairly across the board, no one can bitch about anything. Make sure the rules are understood every year beforehand. It might not be such a bad idea to put cameras in the classrooms either, for proof of misbehavior.

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