What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona?

As someone pointed out about you in another discussion, when all you look for is the negative....that is all you see.

IMO, you only look at the negatives of the federal actions and some nebulous negative motivations of those who oppose the law.

I know you dont agree.

[classicman]

And who might that someone be?

When the overwhelming truth stares you in the face and you refuse to see it, you are an idiot. I choose to no longer "believe" in that which obviously is not true.
You make your living the same way they do. That is how I view your posts. You are one of them.

FWIW and it none of your business, I see a great deal of positives in the world. Especially over the last year.

And IMO, when you say "If the Fed Gov't isn't going to address the issue and uphold its responsibilities....", you are ignoring the facts that the federal government has done more in the last 4-5 years than previous years....more money, better border security, more deportations......

The overwhelming truth? The feds have been addressing the issue....there it is...staring you right in the face.

I agree with this...You dont see the positives in anything the feds do.

Just my opinion...just as you have your opinion of me.

btw...i think only an idiot would say that I make my living the same was as they do...given that I havent been a lobbyist for more than 15 years and you have no idea how I make my living.

[xoxoxoBruce]

All that extra money has been dumped into high tech surveillance devices, that they haven't been able to get to work.

Yes..even with the increased spending in each of the last 4-5 year on both border security and enforcement (deportation)....more needs to be done.

I suggested what I thought it should be....comprehensive federal legislation with even tougher border enforcement AND a pathway to citizenship (with penalties).

NOT a state law that is questionably constitutional, does not have the support of the major law enforcement organization in the state and drives legal residents (not just illegals) out of the state.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

All that extra money has been dumped into high tech surveillance devices, that they haven't been able to get to work.

I dont think that is the case.

Money has gone to more border patrol agents, more customs and enforcement agents, more DoJ prosecutorial resources, more on employment eligibility verification systems. etc.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Peanuts.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Peanuts.

I would suggest looking at budget/appropriation figures.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

the federal government has done more in the last 4-5 years than previous years....

Completely irrelevant. It obviously isn't ENOUGH. Its like being sorta pregnant.
Get the job done.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

I agree with this...You dont see the positives in anything the feds do.

Well you certainly have picked out a wonderful example.
Lets see what was before that - shall we?

Originally Posted by classicman

Senators load financial overhaul with irrelevancies

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I think they see this as one of the last pieces of legislation getting done before the potential clusterfuck returns.

Exactly what is wrong with realizing, in advance, that congress will not get much done for the next couple years as the supermajority deteriorates and it becomes two years of our elected officials basically running for their next term while being paid for this term?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Redux

NOT a state law that is questionably constitutional, does not have the support of the major law enforcement organization in the state and drives legal residents (not just illegals) out of the state.

I guess it falls to those of us without a large blind spot to mention it has 70 percent of the state's population -- Hispanics too -- supporting it. They're tired of trailer-trash behavior, of banditos ducking back across the border, of property crimes... all that stuff. Redux, whatever his virtues and qualities may be, does not live in Arizona, and has but little knowledge of it.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I guess it falls to those of us without a large blind spot to mention it has 70 percent of the state's population -- Hispanics too -- supporting it. They're tired of trailer-trash behavior, of banditos ducking back across the border, of property crimes... all that stuff. Redux, whatever his virtues and qualities may be, does not live in Arizona, and has but little knowledge of it.

It certainly does not have 70 percent support among the state's Hispanics...more like 70 percent of Hispanics oppose it.

I also found it ironic that, according to one national poll, it has 2/3 majority support nationwide AND a slighlty larger majority believing it is discriminatory. IMO, a sad commentary when a majority of the population thinks its ok to discriminate (as long as it is discriminating against someone else).

And while I dont live in AZ, I knew that it has a majority white population...despite the assertion by our resident Arizonan to the contrary.

[classicman]

How many of those Hispanics in the polls are here illegally? Are related to or know someone... C'mon.
That would pretty much invalidate that poll info - no?

Originally Posted by classicman

How many of those Hispanics in the polls are here illegally? Are related to or know someone... C'mon.
That would pretty much invalidate that poll info - no?

Knowing how legitimate polling works, I would assume the respondents are from voting rolls...legal residents.

Because they might know or be related to an illegal, their opinion doesnt count as much as any other citizen?

WTF? Thats not a bigoted statement?

But I forgot...you are never wrong!

[classicman]

What are you talking about? There you go again trying to put words in my mouth. no no no ...

If their opinion is based upon being related to a person here illegally. How is that not a biased response?