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Flint · 10-15-2019, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk

"Can you think without words? Intuitively."

I think some dogs I've known have done it exactly that way. Might not be possible for us: we're symbol-makers and -assigners, signifiers of the world, semiotic beings.

My ex-wife was raised in a household that spoke Brazilian, Spanish, and a little German, but spent a lot of time next door where they spoke mainly French and a little Hindi. Her first words were in French, she's fluent in Spanish, and is a native English speaker who has always lived in the United States.

According to her, she doesn't think in words. Especially-- NOT English, her native (spoken) language.

lumberjim · 10-15-2019, 12:47 PM

Emotion is the physical chemical reaction we have that is caused by thoughts we think.

The non verbal thought I was pointing to is more of a leap we make mentally that just clicks. Then we go back and verify the accuracy.

I do it all the time. Like we have 2 thinking sources. It's all very scientific.

Flint · 10-15-2019, 01:25 PM

The drummer Jojo Mayer talks about the mental micro-space where we’ve already done a thing and we’re now reacting to something that wasn’t intentional. He calls it “the space between zero and one” and it’s the most accurate description of the “source” of creativity that I’ve ever heard. If you have 20 minutes, it’s a really good TED Talk.

What does science say?

There are imaging studies that show the parts of our brain involved with intending to do a thing activation AFTER the part of our brain that does the thing. We intend it because we already did it. Counterintuitive, right?

lumberjim · 10-15-2019, 04:16 PM

That was neat.

Flint · 10-15-2019, 04:42 PM

Cool, thanks for watching. This guy, I don't know if it's apparent from this video, is one of the most technically advanced drummers, like ever. He's developed a bunch of techniques to, apparently, manipulate physics.

Like "push/pull" --getting a note going both ways.

lumberjim · 10-15-2019, 05:13 PM

I'm gonna check out Nerve

henry quirk · 10-15-2019, 06:36 PM

"According to her, she doesn't think in words. Especially-- NOT English, her native (spoken) language."

As I consider it: it's probably more accurate to say thnkin' is done by way of assigning (then recognizing) symbols/placeholders and accessing a shifting cloud of associated symbols/placeholders.

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"Emotion is the physical chemical reaction we have that is caused by thoughts we think."

I think feeling (reaction) precedes thinking (consideration and response).

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"The non verbal thought I was pointing to is more of a leap we make mentally that just clicks. Then we go back and verify the accuracy."

Intuition: what your gut tells you.

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"I do it all the time."

Me too.

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"Like we have 2 thinking sources."

Just a different way of processing information.

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"It's all very scientific."

Mebbe so.

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"There are imaging studies that show the parts of our brain involved with intending to do a thing activation AFTER the part of our brain that does the thing. We intend it because we already did it. Counterintuitive, right?"

Libet.

https://mindmatters.ai/2019/09/was-f...just-debunked/

lumberjim · 10-15-2019, 07:03 PM

Emotion results from thoughts. Some thoughts result from mood (or pain body).

Like, if you're horny, you think about sex. But if you just decide to think about sex, it might make you horny. Might not.

Goes both ways. Like Flint.

henry quirk · 10-15-2019, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

Goes both ways. Like Flint.

Griff · 10-16-2019, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

The drummer Jojo Mayer talks about the mental micro-space where we’ve already done a thing and we’re now reacting to something that wasn’t intentional. He calls it “the space between zero and one” and it’s the most accurate description of the “source” of creativity that I’ve ever heard. If you have 20 minutes, it’s a really good TED Talk.

What does science say?

There are imaging studies that show the parts of our brain involved with intending to do a thing activation AFTER the part of our brain that does the thing. We intend it because we already did it. Counterintuitive, right?

Mind.... blown....

Flint · 03-13-2020, 09:12 PM

So, large parts of what I've always said about the subject I was obsessing on in this thread was just presented back to me by the benevolent AI algorithms at Hulu, in the form of a monologue by Nick Offerman in the first episode of Devs

xoxoxoBruce · 03-14-2020, 05:25 AM

Human's describe themselves, "sumthin’ more than bio-automation, not only organic machinery."

Flint · 04-20-2020, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

So, large parts of what I've always said about the subject I was obsessing on in this thread was just presented back to me by the benevolent AI algorithms at Hulu, in the form of a monologue by Nick Offerman in the first episode of Devs

Again, anybody who was on this thread, or interested in nerd sh!t, go watch Devs. I just finished it, there's only 8 episodes, but it's a wild ride.

Griff · 04-20-2020, 07:59 PM

In

View Poll Results: A human being is...
...bio-automation, organic machinery.	1	14.29%
...sumthin’ more than bio-automation, not only organic machinery.	6	85.71%
Voters: 7. You may not vote on this poll

10-15-2019, 12:47 PM	#137
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	Emotion is the physical chemical reaction we have that is caused by thoughts we think. The non verbal thought I was pointing to is more of a leap we make mentally that just clicks. Then we go back and verify the accuracy. I do it all the time. Like we have 2 thinking sources. It's all very scientific. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

10-15-2019, 01:25 PM	#138
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	The drummer Jojo Mayer talks about the mental micro-space where we’ve already done a thing and we’re now reacting to something that wasn’t intentional. He calls it “the space between zero and one” and it’s the most accurate description of the “source” of creativity that I’ve ever heard. If you have 20 minutes, it’s a really good TED Talk. What does science say? There are imaging studies that show the parts of our brain involved with intending to do a thing activation AFTER the part of our brain that does the thing. We intend it because we already did it. Counterintuitive, right? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-15-2019, 04:16 PM	#139
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	That was neat. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

10-15-2019, 04:42 PM	#140
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Cool, thanks for watching. This guy, I don't know if it's apparent from this video, is one of the most technically advanced drummers, like ever. He's developed a bunch of techniques to, apparently, manipulate physics. Like "push/pull" --getting a note going both ways. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-15-2019, 05:13 PM	#141
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	I'm gonna check out Nerve __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

10-15-2019, 06:36 PM	#142
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"According to her, she doesn't think in words. Especially-- NOT English, her native (spoken) language." As I consider it: it's probably more accurate to say thnkin' is done by way of assigning (then recognizing) symbols/placeholders and accessing a shifting cloud of associated symbols/placeholders. ## "Emotion is the physical chemical reaction we have that is caused by thoughts we think." I think feeling (reaction) precedes thinking (consideration and response). # "The non verbal thought I was pointing to is more of a leap we make mentally that just clicks. Then we go back and verify the accuracy." Intuition: what your gut tells you. # "I do it all the time." Me too. # "Like we have 2 thinking sources." Just a different way of processing information. # "It's all very scientific." Mebbe so. ## "There are imaging studies that show the parts of our brain involved with intending to do a thing activation AFTER the part of our brain that does the thing. We intend it because we already did it. Counterintuitive, right?" Libet. https://mindmatters.ai/2019/09/was-f...just-debunked/ __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

10-15-2019, 07:03 PM	#143
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	Emotion results from thoughts. Some thoughts result from mood (or pain body). Like, if you're horny, you think about sex. But if you just decide to think about sex, it might make you horny. Might not. Goes both ways. Like Flint. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

03-13-2020, 09:12 PM	#146
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	So, large parts of what I've always said about the subject I was obsessing on in this thread was just presented back to me by the benevolent AI algorithms at Hulu, in the form of a monologue by Nick Offerman in the first episode of Devs Attached Images __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

03-14-2020, 05:25 AM	#147
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Human's describe themselves, "sumthin’ more than bio-automation, not only organic machinery." Attached Images __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-20-2020, 07:59 PM	#149
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	In __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

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