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piercehawkeye45 · 06-01-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

That, my friend, is repeating the spin of the Chavez government. You really believe them?

Yes, because I have heard it from multiple sources.

All your information comes from right-winged sites so how does that help you cause

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=2042

This is slightly pro-Chavez but it is more un-biased than anything else I have read.

TheMercenary · 06-01-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Yes, because I have heard it from multiple sources.

All your information comes from right-winged sites so how does that help you cause

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=2042

This is slightly pro-Chavez but it is more un-biased than anything else I have read.

None of my information comes from "right-winged" sites, so it neither contributes nor detracts from any cause, if I had one.

"Slightly pro-Chavez"... imagine that for truth in reporting.

tw · 06-01-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You are right. MoveOn.Org has a huge following of leftists in the US and TV and Radio loves to spew their crap.

MoveOn.org is irrelevant. When it comes to spewing crap, the Rush Limbaughs get their talking points faxed daily from a White House with a long history of lying. Nothing comes close to their original sin ('Thouth shalt not lie') like wacko extremists who spew for the White House. When TheMercenary used the word 'spew', what he really means is that a liar is his love - Geroge Jr. He accuses others of spewing so that we will not notice that spewing only comes from wacko liars. Accuse someone else so that we don't see the real criminal.

Meanwhile, Chavez would be completely irrelevant and totally ignored except for one thing: wacko extremist and mental midget George Jr (and people like TheMercenary) blindly believe those lies.

America that was once popular with all Latin American nations has now become diminished - so little respected - in Brazil, Venezuela, Ecuador, Argentina, etc. No wonder Clinton could even walk the streets of Vietnam and be welcome, whereas George Jr feared to even get out of black glass limos. Even his quick trip to Latin America meant massive security from people who hate liars. It says much about people that TheMercenary spews for.

Larry Birns, director of the Washington-based Council on Hemispheric Affairs, described the change, "In more than 40 years of monitoring, I have never seen the U.S. so isolated in Latin America and Cuba so not isolated."

Because of George Jr wackoism, many Latin American nations are, for the first time, restoring relations with Castro's Cuba. Uruguay - once one of the closest pro-western allies in Latin America and with a stable democracy is the latest to establish warm relations with Cuba - complete with a visit from their Navy. It says reams about the wacko extremism of George Jr who even speaks Spanish and still insults their pride.

Chavez would have been completely irrelevant if America had a president with any intelligence and a Vice President who did not go around shooting things such as friends and innocent civilians in other nations. But that means TheMercenary must stop using the 'spew' word and accept reality. Thanks to George Jr, even Castro is now becoming popular.

TheMercenary · 06-01-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

MoveOn.org is irrelevant. When it comes to spewing crap, the Rush Limbaughs get their talking points faxed daily from a White House with a long history of lying.

Really??? based on what facts? You are the Cellar's spokes person for MoveOn.Org. George? is that you?

richlevy · 06-01-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

None of my information comes from "right-winged" sites

Translation: I am so far on the fringe there's noone left on my right.

TheMercenary · 06-01-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

Translation: I am so far on the fringe there's noone left on my right.

Depends on the issue.

Urbane Guerrilla · 06-02-2007, 04:23 AM

The only way to get a monopoly is to get the government to enforce one -- a mechanism completely outside of the market. If no one ever does that thing, what occurs instead of monopoly is a free market, and a particularly advanced form of free market is capitalism. You could look it up.

piercehawkeye45 · 06-02-2007, 08:18 PM

Yes, of course you can not have a true monopoly in capitalism because if you run the only phone company in the state, I can make one myself. The problem is that I will never get off the ground so not have a true monopoly is irrelevant. You would still control the market and buy me or I would go out of business instantly.

Undertoad · 06-02-2007, 09:14 PM

Well that is not really a good example for you. For decades the phone system was a government protected monopoly. In 1984 the system was split up into the "baby bells" and AT&T and long-distance services were deregulated.

Since that time communications services have blossomed as never before and the price of voice communication has dropped like a rock. In 1984 the average long distance call in the USA was 40 cents/minute. That's your pre-Capitalism price, in 1984 dollars so you can pretty much double that.

People waited until 11pm to make cheaper calls, which were like 15 cents/min; just like now they wait until 9 for their unlimited nights n weekends to kick in.

At this time, it would be ridiculous to start a "traditional" phone company as VOIP explodes the idea of what a traditional phone company might possibly be. The cable cos get first crack at it, usually because they already have the rights-of-way to deliver wired services. (Read your deed, it's in there.)

piercehawkeye45 · 06-04-2007, 01:14 AM

I am making the point that capitalism is not perfect. I know it does have its benefits and has led us to what we have now but when it becomes out of control then it creates massive problems. Imperialism and class issues are the biggest in my opinion.

Aliantha · 06-04-2007, 01:17 AM

Hmmmm...Imperialism and America? Well I never...

xoxoxoBruce · 06-04-2007, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I am making the point that capitalism is not perfect. I know it does have its benefits and has led us to what we have now but when it becomes out of control then it creates massive problems. Imperialism and class issues are the biggest in my opinion.

There is nothing wrong with capitalism. The problem was, is, and always will be, people.
Capitalism built this country into a powerhouse when it was controlled by people that cared about this country. Now it's people that care only about the next fiscal quarter and themselves, that are selling out the country. Walmart is evil.

piercehawkeye45 · 06-04-2007, 06:06 AM

The same thing can be said about Communism then.

It is a perfect system until you add people and the real world.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-04-2007, 06:13 AM

The difference is communist has never worked, except in theory, whereas capitalism has.

piercehawkeye45 · 06-04-2007, 06:26 AM

That is like leaving a baby human and snake out in the woods and say snakes are better species because it is the only one that survived. Communism and socialism would have to be perfected before it becomes efficient while capitalism will work on the first try because of the set up.

06-02-2007, 04:23 AM	#67
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	The only way to get a monopoly is to get the government to enforce one -- a mechanism completely outside of the market. If no one ever does that thing, what occurs instead of monopoly is a free market, and a particularly advanced form of free market is capitalism. You could look it up. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

06-04-2007, 01:17 AM	#71
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Hmmmm...Imperialism and America? Well I never... __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-04-2007, 06:13 AM	#74
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The difference is communist has never worked, except in theory, whereas capitalism has. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-02-2007, 08:18 PM	#68
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Yes, of course you can not have a true monopoly in capitalism because if you run the only phone company in the state, I can make one myself. The problem is that I will never get off the ground so not have a true monopoly is irrelevant. You would still control the market and buy me or I would go out of business instantly.

06-02-2007, 09:14 PM	#69
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Well that is not really a good example for you. For decades the phone system was a government protected monopoly. In 1984 the system was split up into the "baby bells" and AT&T and long-distance services were deregulated. Since that time communications services have blossomed as never before and the price of voice communication has dropped like a rock. In 1984 the average long distance call in the USA was 40 cents/minute. That's your pre-Capitalism price, in 1984 dollars so you can pretty much double that. People waited until 11pm to make cheaper calls, which were like 15 cents/min; just like now they wait until 9 for their unlimited nights n weekends to kick in. At this time, it would be ridiculous to start a "traditional" phone company as VOIP explodes the idea of what a traditional phone company might possibly be. The cable cos get first crack at it, usually because they already have the rights-of-way to deliver wired services. (Read your deed, it's in there.)

06-04-2007, 01:14 AM	#70
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I am making the point that capitalism is not perfect. I know it does have its benefits and has led us to what we have now but when it becomes out of control then it creates massive problems. Imperialism and class issues are the biggest in my opinion.

06-04-2007, 06:06 AM	#73
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	The same thing can be said about Communism then. It is a perfect system until you add people and the real world.

06-04-2007, 06:26 AM	#75
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	That is like leaving a baby human and snake out in the woods and say snakes are better species because it is the only one that survived. Communism and socialism would have to be perfected before it becomes efficient while capitalism will work on the first try because of the set up.

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