Students walk out during Pledge, recite own version

[tw]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

While I agree with you for the most part, I think that there is more original thought around than you ascribe.

queequeger's summary of Einstein and Newton are quite accurate. Almost everything they came up with was existing information put together in a different perspective. I believe it was Hilbert who so noted why a weaker student deserves so much praise. "He did the work'. Why are new ideas so hard to come by? So many have this massive collection of information. But it is the true genius who can merge known fact into a new perspective. So many great ideas are really nothing more than "Oh, yeah . . . ."

It is probably the largest jig saw puzzle ever attempted. Everything is there for us all to see. But which pieces can interconnect?

If what Einstein and Newton discovered was so radical, then conventional science would have rejected it completely. Why persecute Galileo? What he concluded - a perspective using existing knowledge just too radical for conventional thought - was too radical for others.

[Aliantha]

flaps!

[tw]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

flaps!

Cabin crew prepare for landing.

[lookout123]

tw, the point i was making is not that it is wrong to take existing information, analyze it, and make a statement based on your perspective. my point about regurgitation is that you haven't come up with a new post in years. you say the exact same thing the exact same way in every thread whether it is relevent to the topic or not. why do you think people crack jokes about tw's posts being "george jr, mental midget, 7 minutes, directly traceable to the top..." is it necessarily because everyone disagrees with you? no. it is because you might as well just cut and past your canned responses from a word document. they don't change. ever. that is not critical thinking, that is rote memorization.

[Undertoad]

One of the reasons I can't wait for a new administration is because tw will have to change his puke. It'll be like new wallpaper.

[Clodfobble]

Barely. He's still talking about Nixon, for god's sake.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Radar

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I pledge allegiance to the people of the United States of America, and to the republic for which they stand; one sovereign nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Radar, do you believe that states have the right to secede?

[queequeger]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Radar, do you believe that states have the right to secede?

Where did that come from?

And...

Ok, ok, ok. TW does pretty frequently repeat himself near verbatim (as do a few others). I guess I was being more reactionary because I agree with him about, oh, 85% of the time. Maybe he just hasn't gotten so burned out on the whole ridiculousness of our fearless leaders that he still bothers being outraged by it.

I find that every time the GOP or GW specifically takes another step toward total-fucking-insanity, it just makes me tired more than outraged. For a while there, before taking up my apathetic approach, I wouldn't watch the news because I'd get so damned mad. There's only so much outrage one guy can take.

[tw]

Originally Posted by lookout123

why do you think people crack jokes about tw's posts being "george jr, mental midget, 7 minutes, directly traceable to the top..."

Reality did not change just because you don't like it. Those jokes cannot be repeated enough. Truth behind each joke IS bad news for every decent person. At least we still have humor due to an American disaster created by our wacko extremists and their supporters.

George Jr is a mental midget just like Monday happens every seven days. We even sing about Monday mornings.

Every other day, every other day,
Every other day of the week is fine, yeah
But whenever Monday comes, but whenever Monday comes
You can find me cryin' all of the time

Monday Monday, so good to me,
Monday Monday, it was all I hoped it would be
Oh Monday morning, Monday morning couldn't guarantee
That Monday evening you would still be here with me.

Does that mean the song is not original or good? Same thing was said for centuries. And yet we delightfully sign along to the diatribe.

So many disparaging comments earned by George Jr are quite original for tw since tw has never so disparaged any other politician in accuracy, content, ferocity, consistency, or history. Ask UT. UT - when was the last time (in 20 years?) that I so conspicuously identified any other political figure? Never. What is new for me is based on old, well understood facts from history.

Reality does not change only because your political agenda cannot grasp reality. Just because one did not grasp old material used by Einstein, then his work is completely original? And because it has been repeated so often, then we should never again say "E=MC squared"?

We should discuss the mental midget to the point of vomiting. How original is he? He is that dangerous to the world; based on old and well proven prnciples. He even violates principles from Military Science 101. Acknowledging this perspective and the resulting question is enormously original to George Jr supporters even though this reality is old, often repeated, and well understood. "When do we go after bin Laden?"

What makes it original? The question cannot be asked enough. And yet still George Jr supporters still fear to ask it. What is old to some is still too radical and original for George Jr supporters.

For wacko extremists, asking that question would be a major revelation. To those who have grasped this reality, asking that same question is regurgitation. Regurgitation made necessary because we are massacring our most precious treasures for the greater glory of George Jr. Is the question an original perspective - or just obvious from lessons in history? To answer, first ask yourself, "what is my perspective?" Do you yet grasp reality or instead worship a president who talks to god? Lookout123 still has not asked that question. Asking that question would be an original breakthrough for lookout123.

When do we go after bin Laden? Meanwhile, according to news reports, the Marines were asking that same question. Is that original thinking or just regurgitating what any patriotic American would ask weekly?

I pledge alliance to the dictator,
who is the Vice President of America.
And to the republic for which is owns,
One nation, under his god, wiretapped,
with liberty and justice defined by the executive branch.

No wonder students walk out during the Pledge. Even they understand what it really means? Does that mean they are original thinkers?

[lookout123]

you da man TW.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by queequeger

Where did that come from?
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Sorry - "indivisible". Since Radar was fine tuning the pledge, I thought he might remove "indivisible". It seems to me that it would be a better fit with what I interpret to be his philosophy.

[queequeger]

Ok, gotcha.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Radar, do you believe that states have the right to secede?

Of course I believe it. It's a fact. The sovereign states each joined the union voluntarily, and if the federal government is stepping out of bounds, or treating them unfairly, they can choose to leave the union voluntarily too.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Sorry - "indivisible". Since Radar was fine tuning the pledge, I thought he might remove "indivisible". It seems to me that it would be a better fit with what I interpret to be his philosophy.

That's a good point.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Radar

Of course I believe it. It's a fact. The sovereign states each joined the union voluntarily, and if the federal government is stepping out of bounds, or treating them unfairly, they can choose to leave the union voluntarily too.

I agree.