Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' - Page 2

xoxoxoBruce · 02-17-2008, 11:53 AM

Yes it does.

Cloud · 02-17-2008, 11:58 AM

hmm. not for me. I've tried it several times, and I get the blue website not found screen

Bullitt · 02-17-2008, 12:28 PM

It's about a normally harmless bacteria that lives on your skin. Can get into patients' bodies during invasive surgery and attacks the immune system.

richlevy · 02-17-2008, 12:57 PM

I can only go by the doctrines in most religions that put health and safety above dogma.

Most religions allow medical personnel to work on the Sabbath to save lives and ease suffering.

Most religions allow adherents to disregard dietary laws or forgo fasts if such actions risk lives.

I can't believe that the core Islamic faith would have an issue with this. Orthodox Jewish women have similar restrictions and I have never heard of this as an issue.

DanaC · 02-17-2008, 01:09 PM

The stipulations of faith aren't that doctors can't show their arms though rich, rather the stipulation is that women can't show their arms. Times change and now women are doctors...puts a little strain on some of those tenets.

Aliantha · 02-17-2008, 04:04 PM

I can't imagine how a woman from a Muslim family can have been allowed to study medicine if the family is that fundamental. Srsly, can you?

deadbeater · 02-17-2008, 04:50 PM

This is a case where a caliph may help, rather than a Wahabbist imam, so as to guide Muslims on the right direction. In a weird way, Osama bin Laden may be right.

Flint · 02-17-2008, 05:56 PM

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...some students would prefer to quit the course rather than expose their arms...

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, religious fucktards.

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...and warn that it could leave trusts open to legal action...

Here's another warning: when we ship you back home, they might chop your cunt off.

jinx · 02-17-2008, 09:08 PM

ouch

BrianR · 02-17-2008, 10:15 PM

wait, doesn't surgical garb cover your arms to the wrist and surgical gloves (2 pr IIRC) cover the hands totally?

I know Muslim women can undress and bathe privately and with members of their own sex, just not around men.

Doctors usually scrub privately and dress before surgery and the patient generally doesn't see the doctor just prior to surgery due to anesthetic prep. I've been operated on twice and neither time did I actually see the doctor, I was out before he even got there.

So what's the problem? I'm missing something I guess.

Clodfobble · 02-17-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianR

wait, doesn't surgical garb cover your arms to the wrist and surgical gloves (2 pr IIRC) cover the hands totally?

It sounds like the old uniforms did, but it's been determined that the sleeves are worsening the spread of the diseases. Emphasis mine:

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Universities and NHS trusts fear many more will refuse to co-operate with new Department of Health guidance, introduced this month, which stipulates that all doctors must be "bare below the elbow".

DanaC · 02-18-2008, 04:51 AM

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Here's another warning: when we ship you back home, they might chop your cunt off.

Ship them back home? Who said they weren't British born moslems?

Flint · 02-18-2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Ship them back home? Who said they weren't British born moslems?

Sorry, I should have said "ship you back where you belong" ...

richlevy · 02-18-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

It sounds like the old uniforms did, but it's been determined that the sleeves are worsening the spread of the diseases. Emphasis mine:

So why don't they provide long surgical gloves? It seems that it would be even more hygienic to cover the bare skin with gloves.

Perry Winkle · 02-18-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

So why don't they provide long surgical gloves? It seems that it would be even more hygienic to cover the bare skin with gloves.

Then they'd have to go sleeveless. From my interpretation, flawed as it may be, it's keeping the clothing from contaminating the glove that is considerably important.

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DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	The stipulations of faith aren't that doctors can't show their arms though rich, rather the stipulation is that women can't show their arms. Times change and now women are doctors...puts a little strain on some of those tenets.

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deadbeater Sir Post-A-Lot Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 439	This is a case where a caliph may help, rather than a Wahabbist imam, so as to guide Muslims on the right direction. In a weird way, Osama bin Laden may be right.

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BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	wait, doesn't surgical garb cover your arms to the wrist and surgical gloves (2 pr IIRC) cover the hands totally? I know Muslim women can undress and bathe privately and with members of their own sex, just not around men. Doctors usually scrub privately and dress before surgery and the patient generally doesn't see the doctor just prior to surgery due to anesthetic prep. I've been operated on twice and neither time did I actually see the doctor, I was out before he even got there. So what's the problem? I'm missing something I guess. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

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