Murderous Terrorists Kill Brits

Sundae · 03-09-2009, 08:37 AM

This happened on Saturday, but when I tried to post about it yesterday I was so angry I had to delete the post.

I'm still furious and sickened, but I think I can get the news across a little better today. You have probably already heard about it anyway.

On Saturday night, at about 21.30, the soldiers at an Army base in Antrim (Northern Ireland) ordered pizzas from the local Domino's. You know, Domino's Pizza - same sort of pizza you can get in most Western countries. Could be your local Domino's. I guess it was a big order as they sent two cars. Two men - one 19 and one 30 - you know, decent hardworking pizza delivery guys, hoping for a tip, getting through their shift, waiting for the weekend delivered the pizzas. The kinda guy who deliveres your pizza.

Two squaddies came out to collect them. Sapper Mark Quinsey 23 and Cengiz 'Patrick' Azimkar 21. They were both due to be posted to Afghanistan. You know, the dangerous place, where horrid Muslims shoot at you. Chaps like the ex-Forces men who post here.

Two murderous men sat in a car outside the barracks opened fire. They shot and the above named soldiers. Not content with shooting, they went over and fired again at the soldiers on the ground, killing them. Both were unarmed. They seriously wounded another four people in total - including the two pizza delivery men. No, you don't know men like this. They are infected with a cancer of hate and will happily kill anyone, anywhere, any time.

The "Real" IRA have claimed the kill. Filthy murdering bastards. Even Gerry Adams has spoken out against it (albeit in a mealy-mouthed way). I wouldn't piss on him if he was burning to death in front of my eyes. Well, maybe afterwards. But let's face it, if even he - with the blood of so many on his hands - thinks this was A Bad Thing then there's not many who can say otherwise.

Four hardworking men. Three Brits and a Pole. How dare they? How dare they kill my people, in my country? I thought we'd seen the end of this random waste a decade ago. I'm anti-death penalty, and I won't change my opinion on that. But I'd be happy to see them starve themselves to death in a shit smeared cell. Let's see how "Real" their aspirations are then.

Oh, btw, this is the toned down version. Imagine what I was typing yesterday.

Trilby · 03-09-2009, 08:41 AM

I read about this in today's paper. It's so sad. I hate this stuff. Always the innocent suffer...

TheMercenary · 03-09-2009, 09:57 AM

Wow, SG, I was really shocked to hear that happened. Our thoughts are with you. It really seemed like peace was steady. And it only takes a few extremists like this to mess it up. Hopefully, as wired as you guys are, they will have caught them on the video and can track them down.

Aliantha · 03-09-2009, 04:44 PM

We can only hope that the power sharing in the Irish parliament remains strong enough to face this tragedy with a united front and get the arseholes that did it.

I think that will happen. It's in no one's interest to go back to the way things were.

sugarpop · 03-09-2009, 04:53 PM

Wow. I thought the IRA didn't do stuff like that anymore. I thought Britain and Ireland had worked everything out.

I'm so sorry SG to hear about this.

Aliantha · 03-09-2009, 04:56 PM

It wasn't the IRA. It was a splinter group that thinks the IRA has gone soft. They're trying to get the IRA to fire up again and become more 'hands on' instead of political.

sugarpop · 03-09-2009, 05:05 PM

Jesus. Just what we need, more radical assholes in the world with guns. Why can't we all just live together? Seriously.

Aliantha · 03-09-2009, 05:06 PM

Well we do, it's just that some people have some weird ideas about what the best way to live is.

TheMercenary · 03-09-2009, 05:10 PM

Sounds like they took some notes from Iraq.

Sundae · 03-10-2009, 09:00 AM

Aye. And people think that "Arabs" and "towel-heads" and Muslims are the only freakazoids out there.

Nope, sorry. White European Christians are quite happy to kill. Kill and kill and maim and kill. They did, and horribly it turns out they still do. A policeman has also been killed now.

I haven't said, but you might know, I am from an Irish family. I am probably closer to my Irish roots than almost any Irish Americans. Certainly I went to church every Sunday, and we - English Catholics - prayed only for the victims - English, Irish or otherwise. Never for the murdering bastards regardless of religion.

I am not anti-Catholic. I'm certainly not anti-American. I am against using Irish heritage as an excuse to fund terrorism. I doubt the Nor-Aid collection tins got much following 9-11. But they did previously. They did. And they helped kill many civilians.

Again, times change. And I hope Ireland has changed. I'm pretty sure it has. But if I have the money, I will take a trip to Ireland and spit on Paddy McGuinness' and Gerry Adam's graves.

I'll dance in Thatcher's too if it's any consolation. Nothing to do with terrorism. I just want to tramp the dirt down.

Undertoad · 03-10-2009, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Sounds like they took some notes from Iraq.

The other way around: Iraqi terrorists had bomb technology developed by the IRA.

It's a GLOBAL war on terror, and it's not over...

Kaliayev · 03-10-2009, 11:43 AM

The 'Real IRA', who were almost certainly behind these attacks, are more like criminals than terrorists. They run protection rackets, deal drugs and engage in organized crime. To be honest, political killings like this, from them, are pretty rare. Its more likely been done to assure themselves that they are really real freedom fighters and not criminals, more than for any real political reason.

DanaC · 03-10-2009, 12:23 PM

The attack on the soldiers was the Real IRA. The murdered constable was a different splinter group.

During the troubles, though I always thought them vicious bastards, especially to their own (punishment beatings, disappearances etc), I always had some sympathy with the IRA. Without them fighting their campaigns I doubt the British government would have sat around the table and opted for peace.

But there's a bloody big difference between fighting to free your country from decades of occupation and de facto apartheid, and fighting because you don't like the details of the peace.

Kaliayev · 03-11-2009, 04:04 AM

Yes, I just checked, the police killing was the Continuity IRA. With the attack on Saturday, and a ton of other stuff I was doing yesterday, I lept to a conclusion before doing the necessary fact-checking.

CIRA are definitely more political than the RIRA. However, they are not without their own problems. A few years ago, several of their imprisoned members had a falling out with the CIRA and split from them, joining other groups or forming splinter organizations. If that has continued, then it could be that they are stepping up their campaign because they are running out of personnel. Terrorists groups are normally more dangerous towards the end of their life cycle. During 2006-7 they seemed to concentrate on cleaning house with their defectors and since then have been more violent than usual.

Also, since Martin McGuiness has labelled the CIRA terrorists as "treasonous", I would not want to be in their shoes right now. The RUC has rules, whereas the PIRA have none. And its not like Sinn Fein aren't really invested in the peace deal already...

sugarpop · 03-11-2009, 07:44 AM

Here's what I don't understand about this whole issue. Terrorism is generally a tactic that is used by one people to gain their indpendence from another power/country that is oppressing them. IF the people doing the oppressing would just stop and give them their freedom, then the tactics should stop. I believe that is the problem in Israel/Palestine. And I believe that is al Qaeda's beef with the west.

I don't know what the politics are right now between Britain and Ireland, and what the IRAs continued beef is. But, if it has anything to do with what I said, it seems to me that Ireland should be it's own independent country, with sovereignty and independent government and all that goes along with that. Could you please enlighten me SD? Are they not independent now? I kinda thought all of this was pretty much settled.

03-09-2009, 08:37 AM	#1
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Murderous Terrorists Kill Brits This happened on Saturday, but when I tried to post about it yesterday I was so angry I had to delete the post. I'm still furious and sickened, but I think I can get the news across a little better today. You have probably already heard about it anyway. On Saturday night, at about 21.30, the soldiers at an Army base in Antrim (Northern Ireland) ordered pizzas from the local Domino's. You know, Domino's Pizza - same sort of pizza you can get in most Western countries. Could be your local Domino's. I guess it was a big order as they sent two cars. Two men - one 19 and one 30 - you know, decent hardworking pizza delivery guys, hoping for a tip, getting through their shift, waiting for the weekend delivered the pizzas. The kinda guy who deliveres your pizza. Two squaddies came out to collect them. Sapper Mark Quinsey 23 and Cengiz 'Patrick' Azimkar 21. They were both due to be posted to Afghanistan. You know, the dangerous place, where horrid Muslims shoot at you. Chaps like the ex-Forces men who post here. Two murderous men sat in a car outside the barracks opened fire. They shot and the above named soldiers. Not content with shooting, they went over and fired again at the soldiers on the ground, killing them. Both were unarmed. They seriously wounded another four people in total - including the two pizza delivery men. No, you don't know men like this. They are infected with a cancer of hate and will happily kill anyone, anywhere, any time. The "Real" IRA have claimed the kill. Filthy murdering bastards. Even Gerry Adams has spoken out against it (albeit in a mealy-mouthed way). I wouldn't piss on him if he was burning to death in front of my eyes. Well, maybe afterwards. But let's face it, if even he - with the blood of so many on his hands - thinks this was A Bad Thing then there's not many who can say otherwise. Four hardworking men. Three Brits and a Pole. How dare they? How dare they kill my people, in my country? I thought we'd seen the end of this random waste a decade ago. I'm anti-death penalty, and I won't change my opinion on that. But I'd be happy to see them starve themselves to death in a shit smeared cell. Let's see how "Real" their aspirations are then. Oh, btw, this is the toned down version. Imagine what I was typing yesterday. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

03-09-2009, 08:41 AM	#2
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	I read about this in today's paper. It's so sad. I hate this stuff. Always the innocent suffer... __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-09-2009, 09:57 AM	#3
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Wow, SG, I was really shocked to hear that happened. Our thoughts are with you. It really seemed like peace was steady. And it only takes a few extremists like this to mess it up. Hopefully, as wired as you guys are, they will have caught them on the video and can track them down. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-09-2009, 04:44 PM	#4
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	We can only hope that the power sharing in the Irish parliament remains strong enough to face this tragedy with a united front and get the arseholes that did it. I think that will happen. It's in no one's interest to go back to the way things were. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-09-2009, 04:56 PM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	It wasn't the IRA. It was a splinter group that thinks the IRA has gone soft. They're trying to get the IRA to fire up again and become more 'hands on' instead of political. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-09-2009, 04:53 PM	#5
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Wow. I thought the IRA didn't do stuff like that anymore. I thought Britain and Ireland had worked everything out. I'm so sorry SG to hear about this.

03-09-2009, 05:05 PM	#7
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Jesus. Just what we need, more radical assholes in the world with guns. Why can't we all just live together? Seriously.

03-09-2009, 05:06 PM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well we do, it's just that some people have some weird ideas about what the best way to live is. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-09-2009, 05:10 PM	#9
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Sounds like they took some notes from Iraq. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-10-2009, 09:00 AM	#10
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Aye. And people think that "Arabs" and "towel-heads" and Muslims are the only freakazoids out there. Nope, sorry. White European Christians are quite happy to kill. Kill and kill and maim and kill. They did, and horribly it turns out they still do. A policeman has also been killed now. I haven't said, but you might know, I am from an Irish family. I am probably closer to my Irish roots than almost any Irish Americans. Certainly I went to church every Sunday, and we - English Catholics - prayed only for the victims - English, Irish or otherwise. Never for the murdering bastards regardless of religion. I am not anti-Catholic. I'm certainly not anti-American. I am against using Irish heritage as an excuse to fund terrorism. I doubt the Nor-Aid collection tins got much following 9-11. But they did previously. They did. And they helped kill many civilians. Again, times change. And I hope Ireland has changed. I'm pretty sure it has. But if I have the money, I will take a trip to Ireland and spit on Paddy McGuinness' and Gerry Adam's graves. I'll dance in Thatcher's too if it's any consolation. Nothing to do with terrorism. I just want to tramp the dirt down. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

03-10-2009, 11:43 AM	#12
Kaliayev Magnificent Bastard Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 216	The 'Real IRA', who were almost certainly behind these attacks, are more like criminals than terrorists. They run protection rackets, deal drugs and engage in organized crime. To be honest, political killings like this, from them, are pretty rare. Its more likely been done to assure themselves that they are really real freedom fighters and not criminals, more than for any real political reason.

03-10-2009, 12:23 PM	#13
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	The attack on the soldiers was the Real IRA. The murdered constable was a different splinter group. During the troubles, though I always thought them vicious bastards, especially to their own (punishment beatings, disappearances etc), I always had some sympathy with the IRA. Without them fighting their campaigns I doubt the British government would have sat around the table and opted for peace. But there's a bloody big difference between fighting to free your country from decades of occupation and de facto apartheid, and fighting because you don't like the details of the peace.

03-11-2009, 04:04 AM	#14
Kaliayev Magnificent Bastard Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 216	Yes, I just checked, the police killing was the Continuity IRA. With the attack on Saturday, and a ton of other stuff I was doing yesterday, I lept to a conclusion before doing the necessary fact-checking. CIRA are definitely more political than the RIRA. However, they are not without their own problems. A few years ago, several of their imprisoned members had a falling out with the CIRA and split from them, joining other groups or forming splinter organizations. If that has continued, then it could be that they are stepping up their campaign because they are running out of personnel. Terrorists groups are normally more dangerous towards the end of their life cycle. During 2006-7 they seemed to concentrate on cleaning house with their defectors and since then have been more violent than usual. Also, since Martin McGuiness has labelled the CIRA terrorists as "treasonous", I would not want to be in their shoes right now. The RUC has rules, whereas the PIRA have none. And its not like Sinn Fein aren't really invested in the peace deal already...

03-11-2009, 07:44 AM	#15
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Here's what I don't understand about this whole issue. Terrorism is generally a tactic that is used by one people to gain their indpendence from another power/country that is oppressing them. IF the people doing the oppressing would just stop and give them their freedom, then the tactics should stop. I believe that is the problem in Israel/Palestine. And I believe that is al Qaeda's beef with the west. I don't know what the politics are right now between Britain and Ireland, and what the IRAs continued beef is. But, if it has anything to do with what I said, it seems to me that Ireland should be it's own independent country, with sovereignty and independent government and all that goes along with that. Could you please enlighten me SD? Are they not independent now? I kinda thought all of this was pretty much settled.

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