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Undertoad · 09-11-2009, 01:46 PM

Well you posted that 5 minutes after I posted 4 videos all longer than 5 minutes.

Support of underage illegal immigrant sex slavery? Enh! A pittance, must be staged.

And again we see how partisan thinking is not critical thinking.

"Spread the facts on the floor like a fan
throw away the ones that make you feel bad"
- Ben Folds, "Bastard"

classicman · 09-11-2009, 01:50 PM

Who exactly would you expect to investigate this? What nonpartisan journalists are there? Just because they are from "the other side" doesn't precipitate your denial. At least admit it LOOKS REALLY BAD!

09-11-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Well you posted that 5 minutes after I posted 4 videos all longer than 5 minutes.

Support of underage illegal immigrant sex slavery? Enh! A pittance, must be staged.

And again we see how partisan thinking is not critical thinking.

"Spread the facts on the floor like a fan
throw away the ones that make you feel bad"
- Ben Folds, "Bastard"

I admit to not reading or watching everything posted from partisan sources.

Without viewing it, I said if ACORN committed a crime, it should be investigated..and it if was staged, it should be investigated.

Undertoad · 09-11-2009, 01:54 PM

Well this one was not posted by any partisan source, this one was posted by me, and you know me.

09-11-2009, 01:55 PM

This is why, IMO, its a waste of time to discuss ACORN here.

I am labeled a partisan for waiting for the facts..and yet, no such labels are applied to those rushing to judgment.

I get it.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Well this one was not posted by any partisan source, this one was posted by me, and you know me.

Did you create the youtube vid...were you there when it took place?

You dont think FOX news has an agenda when it comes to ACORN?

Undertoad · 09-11-2009, 02:01 PM

WTF. The facts are on the videos. It's 99% raw video. Watch them and tell me how it could possibly be a setup. If you can watch them and explain one possible way it could be a setup, knowing that they're in ACORN offices talking to ACORN employees, two of which have now been fired by ACORN. The videos are raw news, the 1% spin in them is brief but accurate. Everything you need to know about this is right there. Nobody's extra spin or take on this is going to change anything.

09-11-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

WTF. The facts are on the videos. It's 99% raw video. Watch them and tell me how it could possibly be a setup. If you can watch them and explain one possible way it could be a setup, knowing that they're in ACORN offices talking to ACORN employees, two of which have now been fired by ACORN. The videos are raw news, the 1% spin in them is brief but accurate. Everything you need to know about this is right there. Nobody's extra spin or take on this is going to change anything.

And we all know there are no doctored youtube vids or photoshopped pics out there. How do you know for certain that they are in an ACORN office as opposed to a vacate office with an easlly created copy of an ACORN sign?

That has never happened before by politically motivated partisans on either side.

Assuming it was in ACORN offices, how do you know it goes beyond the two fired employees and represents ACORN's policies and procedures and not the acts of two fucked-up renegade individuals?

IF the local authorities believe there is even a possibility that a crime was committed by ACORN....they should investigate. What more do you want me to say?

classicman · 09-11-2009, 02:14 PM

And based upon those video's, the authorities should already be there... are they?

09-11-2009, 02:16 PM

For the record, I dont watch youtube videos at work

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Originally Posted by classicman

And based upon those video's, the authorities should already be there... are they?

I have no idea, which is why I said I was waiting for the facts and not getting all emotional and presuming guilt.

classicman · 09-11-2009, 02:18 PM

Dude - you are REALLY stretching it - All you got is the "more rogue employees" defense? Thats weak. How many times? Is it always gonna be the employees and the management NEVER knows whats going on? Puhlease!

09-11-2009, 02:20 PM

And, on your side, it is always guilt by association and no such thing as rogue employees, even before the facts have been determined...whether its the Nevada case, the recent NY allegations of contracting abuses, or this latest incident.

What is wrong with waiting for the facts? Are you so afraid that state/local investigating bodies and court systems across the country are all pro-ACORN?

Whatever happened to presumption of innocence until proven guilty...you know, that core value of our legal system?

Undertoad · 09-11-2009, 02:27 PM

The women from the first event have been fired, so ACORN agrees that was their employees in their office.

In the second event, the camera points to the ACORN logo on the outside-facing office window.

Was it a crime? I don't think it's a crime to advise people how to cover up the criminal activity they are planning or that they allege. Is criminality the most important aspect, where people are ready to explain in detail how to hide a brothel of underage illegal immigrant sex slaves?

TheMercenary · 09-11-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

I would like to see more than a Fox News report and a video by a conservative partisan with an agenda.

It was a headline on CNN and MSNBC today. Just because you don't like the source does not mean the info is false, staged, or incorrect.

09-11-2009, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The women from the first event have been fired, so ACORN agrees that was their employees in their office.

In the second event, the camera points to the ACORN logo on the outside-facing office window.

Was it a crime? I don't think it's a crime to advise people how to cover up the criminal activity they are planning or that they allege. Is criminality the most important aspect, where people are ready to explain in detail how to hide a brothel of underage illegal immigrant sex slaves?

SO why do you automatically assign culpability to the organization rather than consider that they were rogue employees?

I assume the crime would potentially be aiding and abetting or conspiring to participate in a criminal activity.

ACORN finds questionable voter registrations, they turn them over to the authorities.....ACORN discovers that employees are engaged in questionable or potentially criminal activity, they fire the employees and cooperate with the investigations.

Yet, it is all a massive cover-up.

Undertoad · 09-11-2009, 02:46 PM

Go home and watch the videos man. You don't want to defend this kind of shit.

09-11-2009, 01:50 PM	#302
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Who exactly would you expect to investigate this? What nonpartisan journalists are there? Just because they are from "the other side" doesn't precipitate your denial. At least admit it LOOKS REALLY BAD! __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-11-2009, 02:14 PM	#308
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	And based upon those video's, the authorities should already be there... are they? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-11-2009, 02:18 PM	#310
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Dude - you are REALLY stretching it - All you got is the "more rogue employees" defense? Thats weak. How many times? Is it always gonna be the employees and the management NEVER knows whats going on? Puhlease! __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-11-2009, 02:20 PM	#311
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	And, on your side, it is always guilt by association and no such thing as rogue employees, even before the facts have been determined...whether its the Nevada case, the recent NY allegations of contracting abuses, or this latest incident. What is wrong with waiting for the facts? Are you so afraid that state/local investigating bodies and court systems across the country are all pro-ACORN? Whatever happened to presumption of innocence until proven guilty...you know, that core value of our legal system? Last edited by Redux; 09-11-2009 at 02:27 PM.

09-11-2009, 01:46 PM	#301
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Well you posted that 5 minutes after I posted 4 videos all longer than 5 minutes. Support of underage illegal immigrant sex slavery? Enh! A pittance, must be staged. And again we see how partisan thinking is not critical thinking. "Spread the facts on the floor like a fan throw away the ones that make you feel bad" - Ben Folds, "Bastard"

09-11-2009, 01:54 PM	#304
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Well this one was not posted by any partisan source, this one was posted by me, and you know me.

09-11-2009, 02:01 PM	#306
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	WTF. The facts are on the videos. It's 99% raw video. Watch them and tell me how it could possibly be a setup. If you can watch them and explain one possible way it could be a setup, knowing that they're in ACORN offices talking to ACORN employees, two of which have now been fired by ACORN. The videos are raw news, the 1% spin in them is brief but accurate. Everything you need to know about this is right there. Nobody's extra spin or take on this is going to change anything.

09-11-2009, 02:27 PM	#312
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The women from the first event have been fired, so ACORN agrees that was their employees in their office. In the second event, the camera points to the ACORN logo on the outside-facing office window. Was it a crime? I don't think it's a crime to advise people how to cover up the criminal activity they are planning or that they allege. Is criminality the most important aspect, where people are ready to explain in detail how to hide a brothel of underage illegal immigrant sex slaves?

09-11-2009, 02:46 PM	#315
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Go home and watch the videos man. You don't want to defend this kind of shit.

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