The American People are Angry

[classicman]

Listen to this. It is worth your time.

[Ibby]

i dont have half an hour to kill watching it right now - my friend and i are drinkin' and smokin' and carryin' on, about to watch Rules of Attraction when he gets off the phone with his ex - but:
WHOOOO! BERNIE! AW YEH! WHOOO GOOOO BERNIE!
i swear to god i worship that man, i practically fainted when i got to shake his hand a couple months back.
if i post again in this thread without having watched that speech, somebody make me, i fuckin' love him.

edit: has anyone else here on the cellar had the honor of actually voting for bernie?
edit edit: also, classic, you're the like third-to-last person i wouldve guessed would post a bernie vid. mad props.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Ibby

classic, you're the like third-to-last person i would've guessed would post a bernie vid. mad props.

great, I surpassed Merc and UG.
Next thing you know, I'll have you calling me Donna.

[ZenGum]

s at you two.

I don't have 25 minutes to watch that, nor two hours to download it. Can you give me a quick run down?

[classicman]

1) "Its Bush's fault."
2) The R plans will make it worse.
3) Banks are bad.
4) The 1% are too rich
5) We're all gonna die.

[Cyber Wolf]

These people need to stop telling me I'm angry when I'm not.

[ZenGum]

Originally Posted by classicman

1) "Its Bush's fault."
2) The R plans will make it worse.
3) Banks are bad.
4) The 1% are too rich
5) We're all gonna die.

Thanks, C-man.

1. Well, largely, but also the entrenched venality of Washington. IIRC the Glass-Stegal act was repealed in 1999, wasn't it? Not Obama, though, market had crashed before he came to power.

2. Dunno, wouldn't surprise me.

3. some of them.

4. Heck yeah - massive inequality causing social demoralisation leading to collapse of the public system is a genuine possible future for us. Lets avoid that.

5. What? Like, soon?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Cyber Wolf

These people need to stop telling me I'm angry when I'm not.

2003 was obviously a year of exteme doom and gloom. So obvious back then was the resulting economics malaise, the so many dead American soldiers, and other problems we now have today. Because of what was happening back then. Those who do not see beyond their nose actually saw 2003 as a good year. It was a disaster. Many could not see what was obviously coming.

I no longer see doom and gloom. My postings returned to optimism that existed before 2000. Things are clearly improving now that we are not longer doing what was so clearly stupid back in and after 2000.

It will certainly take a decade to undo that mess. Just like it took solutions, implemented about 1977, to finally create a recovery in 1985. What should be clear. We got lucky in 2008. Our leaders did not make the mistakes made by Hoover and FDR after 1929. We are undoing damage and implementing solutions to restart growth of an average American's living standards. Despite fools who criticize what literally saved our ass – ie Tarp. We did not start fixing anything until after 2008. Unquestionably things are getting better.

Review 1977 to 1985. See so many Americans back then in 'doom and gloom' because they did not see what was important. They even complained about high oil prices when oil really was so cheap. Japan even was fixing crappy products on America’s highways. Bankruptcy was attacking anti-American corporations. Only the myopic did not see life finally getting better. Today, things are improving massively IF one beholds what is relevant.

We are slowly undoing multiple disasters, created by our leaders, that so dominated that first decade of the 21 Century.

But be wary. Wacko extremists want to restore and create new disasters. A greatest threat to the Tea Party is for America to succeed.

[Cyber Wolf]

Originally Posted by tw

2003 was obviously a year of exteme doom and gloom. So obvious back then was the resulting economics malaise, the so many dead American soldiers, and other problems we now have today. Because of what was happening back then. Those who do not see beyond their nose actually saw 2003 as a good year. It was a disaster. Many could not see what was obviously coming.

I no longer see doom and gloom. My postings returned to optimism that existed before 2000. Things are clearly improving now that we are not longer doing what was so clearly stupid back in and after 2000.

It will certainly take a decade to undo that mess. Just like it took solutions, implemented about 1977, to finally create a recovery in 1985. What should be clear. We got lucky in 2008. Our leaders did not make the mistakes made by Hoover and FDR after 1929. We are undoing damage and implementing solutions to restart growth of an average American's living standards. Despite fools who criticize what literally saved our ass – ie Tarp. We did not start fixing anything until after 2008. Unquestionably things are getting better.

Review 1977 to 1985. See so many Americans back then in 'doom and gloom' because they did not see what was important. They even complained about high oil prices when oil really was so cheap. Japan even was fixing crappy products on America’s highways. Bankruptcy was attacking anti-American corporations. Only the myopic did not see life finally getting better. Today, things are improving massively IF one beholds what is relevant.

We are slowly undoing multiple disasters, created by our leaders, that so dominated that first decade of the 21 Century.

But be wary. Wacko extremists want to restore and create new disasters. A greatest threat to the Tea Party is for America to succeed.

I wasn't expecting all that but okay...

My point was more along the lines of being reactionary vs intellectual. I hate those bumper stickers that state if you aren't outraged/angry/pissed off/etc, you aren't paying attention... like someone can't be well informed but not frothing at the mouth. Or like you can't do something about (insert issue here) without screaming, waving Gotcha! one-liner signs and getting your blood pressure up.

Most of the stuff isn't worth the stress being angry would bring. Being angry isn't always the best way to get something done. Occasionally you need a berserker warrior to fight, with heaving chest, spittle and wild eyes, but more often the calm, calculating, unseen sniper will do. And that sniper will have lower blood pressure in these days of over-salted foods.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Cyber Wolf

like someone can't be well informed but not frothing at the mouth.

Extremist politicians do not care about informed people. In part, because moderates do not vote like a brainwashed follower who is frothing at the mouth.

Now that political advertising can lie without any consequences (super-Pacs), expect plenty of nasty ads directed only at those who most easily froth. These people, in some cases, will vote as high as a 95% turnout. Hate is necessary to empower those voters.

I just upgraded the answering machine. I expect it to be busier than two years ago when political myth were almost 20 calls per day. They are not calling to be honest or logical. Those calls (and superPacs) are to inspire those who most easily 'froth’.

[classicman]

hehehe - who still owns an answering machine?
I didn't know they even made them anymore.

[BigV]

Me.

[glatt]

hey, me too.

[ZenGum]

... and it took you guys ten days to get back to him! Harrumph.

[glatt]

It was the least I could do.

The least.