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[wolf]

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[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally posted by Undertoad
I wasn't on it when it burped... I spent those days 15-20 miles away, in stone/brick structures, watching the news for more information.

I WAS on it a few years after the accident, making a delivery to their engineering/drafting department. I was a kid making deliveries for a summer job, driving a car that was not my own or my parent's and was not marked as a delivery vehicle in any way, permitted to make a delivery on the island with no ID, given a visitor's pass that allowed me to drive on and roam around until I found the right building to make the delivery. Well I did have to sign in.

That was about 1983 I think, with the second reactor back on line. I expect they have tougher restrictions to get on the facility today.

I’m really surprised, UT. I worked a dozens of nukes between ’70 & ’83, and security was always very tight. Undercar mirrors, hand searched baggage and training verification we’re standard. One plant had a gumball machine with black and white marbles, if you got a black one, you also got a body search.
Of course at the time, terrorists weren’t the issue, so much as nutcases and screw ups by improperly trained people. At 3 mile, in order to do any damage, you’d have to breech the right buildings, that were hopefully more secure. Besides, you have an honest face.

[russotto]

Originally posted by wolf
If the prevailing winds are blowing from the west, we're good.

Sure, if they nuke Philly. But they probably would just hit NY and DC and pass Philly right by.

Now, if Limerick goes up, that's another problem. My current plan is to get on 422 west (the "wrong" way -- the official evacuation plan is 422 east, which is undercapacity as it is... you'd be sitting in traffic as the plume came down). Then drive like hell to get on the west side before the plume comes down.

[Undertoad]

NYC and DC are now hard targets, and Philly is the soft one in between, with the advantage that it's a port city taking in shipping containers and stuff, and the cultural note that it's the birthplace of the country.

[Beestie]

Originally posted by Undertoad

NYC and DC are now hard targets...

I'm in DC. I keep 3 days of provisions in each car and a bike on the back of mine. We have a complete evac plan. Three years ago, such plans would have been the stuff of tin-foil hats.

[wolf]

It is amusing to see the rest of the country catching up ...

[Pie]

Originally posted by Beestie
I'm in DC. I keep 3 days of provisions in each car and a bike on the back of mine. We have a complete evac plan. Three years ago, such plans would have been the stuff of tin-foil hats. [/b]

If we get nuked, I'm gonna be banging on Wolf's door, so I can borrow her gun, so I can shoot myself.
It's not something I particularly want to survive through.

- Pie

[Beestie]

Originally posted by Pie

If we get nuked, I'm gonna be banging on Wolf's door, so I can borrow her gun, so I can shoot myself. It's not something I particularly want to survive through.
- Pie
(emphasis added)

Interesting. Most of my thinking centered on making it through the three days immediately following the attack. I never gave much thought to what America would look like with a six-mile wide crater where the Federal Government used to be.

We have to stick around to defend the Constitution, tho. Besides, there's no way I'm losing to a bunch of assholes.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally posted by Beestie
Originally posted by Pie Interesting. Most of my thinking centered on making it through the three days immediately following the attack. I never gave much thought to what America would look like with a six-mile wide crater where the Federal Government used to be.

Reminds me of "Mars Attacks."

"They killed Congress! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHH!!!"

Originally posted by Beestie
Originally posted by Pie Interesting. Most of my thinking centered on making it through the three days immediately following the attack. I never gave much thought to what America would look like with a six-mile wide crater where the Federal Government used to be.

We have to stick around to defend the Constitution, tho. Besides, there's no way I'm losing to a bunch of assholes.

Man, when the radio active fall-out from the big whammo explosion from Norad hits you, You're all gonna wish you had Wolf's gun. Personally, since I live right next to Norad, I figure being atomized would probably be a better way to go then most. As I posted elsewhere, my one wish would be to have enough time to grab a lawn chair and a bottle of Jack and get to watch the first explosion before I reverted to my original form as a mass of swirling ions.

[warch]

Its when the exclusive bible study becomes policy meeting that concerns me.

[wolf]

Originally posted by Pie

If we get nuked, I'm gonna be banging on Wolf's door, so I can borrow her gun, so I can shoot myself.
It's not something I particularly want to survive through.

Many years ago I was "interviewed" by a friend who was doing a paper on nuclear war for a class that she had to take to get her BSN (which she still hasn't completed ... slacker!)

She was asking a bunch of questions, one of which was "what will you do if you survive a nuclear war?"

My answer at that time was "my plans for survival in a nuclear war involve an extremely large bottle of Jack Daniels and an extremely large knife." She didn't have a follow up question, so she had to draw her own conclusions. (The correct one, incidentally, is that the Jack is a trade good, and the knife is for defense, but people tend to have expectations based on their own belief systems.)

The answer was phrased in just that way largely for my potential amusement at the reaction of her professor. She was attending a very Christian College that had only recently stopped being solely a theological seminary, and got itself accreditted as a "real" college, because the bottom dropped out of the Bible College market. She passed that class, anyway.

[tw]

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
I’m really surprised, UT. I worked a dozens of nukes between ’70 & ’83, and security was always very tight. Undercar mirrors, hand searched baggage and training verification we’re standard. One plant had a gumball machine with black and white marbles, if you got a black one, you also got a body search.

In 2000 and 2001 I drove right up the buildings that were Susquehanna (Berwick PA) and Peach Bottom nuclear plants. Drove right onto the pier to touch the cooling system for Peach Bottom. Rode a bicycle right up to the chain link fence just outside (and a stone through away from) the Limerick nuclear plant. Never saw a single guard. Never was challenged by anyone at any of those plants.

Yankee Maine nuclear plant had shutdown by 2001. But the pools full of spent nuclear material remained completely unguarded the day WTC collapsed. I don't believe for a moment that undercar mirrors were standard. Even Vandenburg AFB required only a paper pass on the windshield as a guard stood rigidly at attention saluting each car as it entered.

When did I see my first undercar mirror search? In the White House parking lot as I rode through. Before WTC, many public Washington buildings did have package inspections and undercar mirrors. Outside of Washington - never saw any of that.

[wolf]

You have some unusual vacation destinations, tw.

[tw]

Originally posted by wolf
You have some unusual vacation destinations, tw.

Considering some of the things I stop at, for sightseeing, one might put me on a list of suspected terrorists. They and I find interest in many of the same things.