For discussion: If you were a pedophile

[monster]

I think a large part of one of the problems with this topic -and it extends outside of this topic also- is that some people wish to live in denial of the sexuality of children. Sure, they'll tell funny stories of theri 4yo playing with his willy in the supermarket. But they refuse to think of it as sexual. Some little kids play with their genitals. A lot. Enough that they have to be getting something out of it. It is sexual.

But just because they know it feels good, doesn't mean they know what it's for. And doesn't make it OK to have sex with them. But they will have sex with each other, and play with each others genitals. And they won't necessarily know it's wrong. They can be sexual beings. It's still not OK for adults to have sex with them. They may even flirt with and invite the adults. It's still not OK -they're not able to give informed consent. If they can't give consent, who can? Their parents. Well, who wants to ask the parents of the child and what parents wants to hear that question>

So we have a law. with an arbitrary age limit, but one that will definitely outlaw all sex with physically immature juveniles. A law that pretty much states that children are not for sex. (good!) Even with other children (good!) So let's hang them all! (wait... my 15yo got drunk and fucked the class slapper at a party and he has to die...? your and my nine-year-olds decided to play doctor on their sleepover.......)

Why is this denial of children's sexuality a problem?

(1) the laws in place to prevent adults messing with children are also applied to children messing with children. And they are -as they should be for adults- pretty harsh laws. But 11yo Buckie knows it feels good when he bullies his little sister into giving him her candy. And he knows if feels good when he plays with his todger. And he knows it feels good when his momma rubs his back. And he knows it feels good when he bullies his sister into rubbing his dick. We adults can see what's wrong with this picture and how to define the degrees of badness here, but can little Buckie? And does he deserve a lifelong punishment for that? or execution?

(2) When presented with evidence of something we don't believe in, we try hard to find some other cause. If our children are behaving in a sexual manner, it must be the fault of an adult somewhere. Must be pedophiles. Strike 1. Pedophiles: Wait... we haven't even come out of the closet yet and already you're stoning us...... Sean here has presented an argument that you can have these leanings and not act on them. How often do you think he gets that chance? He'd stand a better chance of a fair hearing if he was born black into the heart of a KKK family

(3) Pedophiles don't deny the sexuality of children. They are the people who screamed "The emporer is naked". The fact that they run a rival tailoring outfit that would run him up a suit in a jiffy given the go-ahead by the govermnment doesn't work in their favor.

I wouldn't invite Sean to babysit my children. But if he became a regular dwellar, I'd probably stop by one one of our road trips, if invited. With the children. And the hubby. I think he's a Brit, though, so it ain't happening soon with airfares the way they are!

sorry if this seems disjointed and not in synch with the convo... it's been a long time in the verbalization and it still ain't perfect, but Ineed sleep