Brexit

[DanaC]

That is games playing. This isn't a game.

I'm not laughing at the people making uninformed choices - I was one of them, we all were.

I'm not even 100% sure I'd vote to remain again if we had another vote - the last 2 years have fundamentally damaged our relationships with European partners - if we were to change our minds and vote to remain we'd be in Europe as a much weakened member - possibly catastrophically weakened.

I would however like to know if we were leaving that we were doing so with some kind of plan in mind.

[tw]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I would however like to know if we were leaving that we were doing so with some kind of plan in mind.

There never was a plan in mind. Boris Johnson, et al were promoting Brexit for the same reason another here says he only wants to wreck it all.

Anyone can see why Brexit can only be bad. For example, a first tier nation must make high tech products. Parts for cars cross borders tens or 100 times before finally being assembled inside an automobile. Cross state, provence, and nation borders is constant and necessary to build anything technically advanced. It happens in that region because trade is open and unrestricted across all those borders. Innovation and highwage jobs can never happen today with border restrictions.

That is what Brexit want to restore. Border restrictions. Strifled innovations.

How many borders do parts only in a light bulb cross? Maybe 30 or more - just for a light bulb.

Also essential for a productive economy is free motion of labor. I cannot think of a single place I worked where less than 50% were only from that one state. Most everyone comes from elsewhere - over the years and sometimes daily. Because that also is essential to have a product economy.

Brexit only want to restrict all that. Brexit will clearly make Britain less productive. But most people have no idea what is essential to make a nation productive.

One thing I love on the streets of London is the vibracny created by Schengen. That too will go away because so many have no idea what makes an economy productive and innovative.

Well over 100 years ago, a major innovation happened that can only occur where state borders are open. Sear created the catalog. The world never saw anything like it. The world's biggest Post Office was in Chicago to only serve customers of Sears catalog. That was the internet of its time. And could not happen in Europe where borders restricted such innovation, productivity, and job creation. EU is essential for any productive nation in that region. It should be that obvious to anyone with minimal economic education.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by tw

innovations.



One thing I love on the streets of London is the vibracny created by Schengen. That too will go away because so many have no idea what makes an economy productive and innovative.

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Sorry got to disagree here - London has always had that vibrancy and probably always will. It's been a world city pretty much since world cities became a thing.

[tw]

Originally Posted by DanaC

London has always had that vibrancy and probably always will. It's been a world city pretty much since world cities became a thing.

Brexit is about making those hundreds of thousand or million EU citizens into foreigner - who must get visas or leave. London, that is so vibrant because it is compopolitian, is one reason why the midland extremists voted for Brexit. They see want makes London so vibrant as people stealing their jobs. Hate always works on the lesser informed.

Many Americans are just a brainwash by similar right wing wacko extremisms. For example, they also do not understand that 50% of America's Fortune 500 were created by immigrants. That 40% of all new businesses are created by this tiny minority - immigrants. And that an overwhelming majority of American Nobel prized came from immigrants - many who had almost no education when they got here.

Brexit includes a hate for Schengen. But that is why London is so vibrant. And is why so many Brits, manipulated by hate and soundbytes, hate Brexit.

Every foreigner I know who work in Britain will be leaving. London will be less vibrant.

I assumed the mass exodus would be to Frankfurt. And am surprised at the so many cities that everyone must move to - because the least educated believe lies from Boris Johnson.

At this point, every UK citizen with minimal knowledge now knows that Johnson, et al had no plan. They only understood more political power (only personal gain) by doing what Trump also does.

Schengen was not necessary for London to be vibrant before EU. And EU with Schengen and Britain excluded will mean a significant loss of what once make London so vibrant. Britian is no longer a good location for any European business office or factory.

I am shocked that Dana C does not see what is clearly obvious. No Schengen means London will no longer be the cosmopolitan town it used to be. The exodus will take about 10 years.

Even Trump refuses to do any trade deal with Britain. How much worse will it get?