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Old 01-21-2019, 09:01 PM   #1
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Old 01-21-2019, 09:14 PM   #2
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CNN: IT WASN'T US IT WAS TWITTER WHO DONE THAT
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:15 AM   #3
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He needed it edited by public relations firm?
People were calling for his murder, and the jobs of his family and of every family in sight on the basis of a single frame, so YES, for fucks sake, he needed protection against people like yourself.

STILL looking for ANY WAY to tar and feather! STILL! I know YOU can't learn, but will everyone else?

STOP DOING THIS SHIT, YOU'RE KILLING US!

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Old 01-22-2019, 07:19 AM   #4
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That's a solid piece. I know I assumed too much when I saw the MAGA hat.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:42 AM   #5
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Next time a story like this surfaces, I’ll try to sit it out until more facts have emerged.
Wait it out and usually it becomes yesterdays news rather than developing like this did. Like seeing someone kick a puppy, react now or forget it.

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Old 01-22-2019, 10:47 AM   #6
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STILL looking for ANY WAY to tar and feather! STILL! I know YOU can't learn, but will everyone else?
If honest (a moderate), then he never needed a PR firm. PR clearly did not protect him. If he needed protection, then he did not publish his name. Please do not continue promoting that bogus lie. Extremists do not need protection from moderates. Moderates need protection from extremists; the adults who are still emotional children.

Accurately noted were many dics promoting confusion and extremist agendas. Honest facts are hard to come by. But this is obviously bogus. They needed permission from their chaperons to chant school slogans? Total bull - classic spin - bad fiction invented by a PR firm. Reeks of spin (lies) so commonly found in Fox News and Russian hackers.

Extremists who can be manipulated by obvious lies such as Saddam's WMDs are a threat to moderates. Only extremists advocated and got useless deaths of 5000 American servicemen for no purpose. Extremists are always that dangerous. Extremists will not even apologize for those deaths and thousands more who are permanently maimed - for no purpose.

He went to PR people to carefully promote an extremist agenda. If honest, he did not need professional spin doctors or Russian hackers to rewrite his testimony. Credibility is seriously missing.

Extremism is why demonstrations turn confrontational. And why priming the extremist pump result in so many informative gems such as 'wreck shit'.

This confrontation demonstrate what Trump has promoted to advance himself. Physical confrontation is now encouraged even resulting in revival of the KKK, Nazis, and White Supremacists. The real point of this news story and what underlies the Atlantic piece.

Prime the pump so that extremist rhetoric (and the resulting entertainment) exposes its real self. Bring back David Duke and Joseph McCarthy to learn from history. He did not need PR spin doctors to protect himself. That spin only further clouds the event. But makes the actual problem just more obvious.
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Old 01-22-2019, 01:12 PM   #7
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If our country is going to survive, we all need to pull back from our shit when we're wrong. That is what a "moderate" will do.
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:34 AM   #8
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He's literally a child, Tom.

All these decades spent spitting venom about figurative children, and now you're going after an actual, literal child because he had an adult craft and deliver his defense.

Have you no sense of decency?
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:21 PM   #9
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He's literally a child, Tom.

All these decades spent spitting venom about figurative children, and now you're going after an actual, literal child because he had an adult craft and deliver his defense.

Have you no sense of decency?
Those kids are Catholics. Tw is terrified of Catholics; because, you know, they'd be inclined to perform an exorcism on him.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:58 PM   #10
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Britain's esteemed Daily Mail is still on the case.

They showed a brief video of the same boys, same day, catcalling a group of girls walking by, and one of the girls caught video the very end of it.
The girls didn't seem terribly angry and one yelled back, how old are you.
C'mon they're high school kids, I don't want to hear about toxic masculinity or toxic feminism.

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PICTURED: Kentucky students from the same Catholic high school as the teens who taunted a Native American man were allowed to don BLACKFACE at their sports events - and openly goaded African American players

Covington Catholic High School in Park Hills, Kentucky, allowed students over the last 10 years to wear black face to pep rallies
Footage of the incidents appeared online on Monday where they are seen in 2015 with blackface and white painted smiles
In one shocking image, they openly goad a black player from an opposing team
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Yelling and taunting opposing teams in High School is not good sportsmanship or unusual.
No reason to assume it's because the kid was black, he's from another school, he is the enemy.

The kids painted black is a little bit more concern, I wonder what the school colors are.
Some Eagles fans paint themselves green, I've seen Packers fans in green, white and yellow.
So it could be that. I don't know

Nope, blue and white, nevermind.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:39 AM   #11
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The kids painted black is a little bit more concern, I wonder what the school colors are.
Some Eagles fans paint themselves green, I've seen Packers fans in green, white and yellow.
So it could be that. I don't know

Nope, blue and white, nevermind.
Apparently the school has "black day" and "white day", where the fans will paint themselves black or white. No idea what the significance is, but assuming an innocent explanation for the black paint in general does not justify the minstrel show big white lip paint. And even assuming the kid(s) who did it had no idea, the adults in the room should have told them to go fix it.

My opinion of Sandmann has wavered with the various waves of news, but my opinion of the adults of the school has only gone down, and didn't start high.
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Old 01-23-2019, 01:16 PM   #12
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No idea what the significance is, but assuming an innocent explanation for the black paint in general does not justify the minstrel show big white lip paint.
Well, a few days ago the nation had a rush to instant judgement based on a single image -- and then everyone had to back off because they learned from the bigger picture that they didn't have all the facts. Let us not rush to judgement again.

I think you're looking at the first picture. Look at the pointed, curled ends of the lip makeup on the "blackface" dude. Pointed, curled ends are not standard blackface. They would kind of ruin blackface; they are however standard on "joker face".
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:43 AM   #13
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Have you no sense of decency?
Remember adults logically and forcefull showed Saddam did not and could not have WMDs. You refused to admit those WMDs did not exist even after George Jr conceded those WMDs did not exist. You were venomous - emotional - actually brainwashed.

So venomous as to not apologize for so many disparaging remarks directed at one who stated clearly, in an adult manner, using only facts, that those WMDs only existed in propaganda - intentional lies.

Almost 5000 American servicemen were killed for no purpose because you (and others also easily played by liars) sent them to their death. When do you apologized for that - act in an adult manner? You still do not. You never apologized - cannot admit that emotions were also responsible for that mistake.

Learn reality. Others have demonstrated Trump like hate promoted by those students. An honest student would never need a PR firm to rewrite his testimony. They even asked permission to chant? Clearly that is not honest. History of that school now demonstrates you are defending people who apparently have a serious extremists (hate) attitude. Same attitude that also said Saddam had WMDs. Same attitude that gets emotional rather than post facts.

So hateful as to post another cheapshot emotions - that I must somehow hate or fear Catholics. So apparently I must hate or fear myself - using emotionally inspired reasoning.

Please return to adult type writing. Discuss facts. Posting nasty insults at another is (and this is a fact; not an insult) is what adults who are still children do. Please return to more adult style writing. Stop acting that the UT who could never even admit Saddam did not have WMDs - even after George Jr admitted he did not. Please stick to facts and stop entertaining henry quirk and other extremist type emotions. Please act like a moderate. Please post more like Happy Monkey who discusses facts without emotions. Extremist resort to cheapshot attacks.
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Old 01-22-2019, 01:15 PM   #14
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Old 01-22-2019, 01:24 PM   #15
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I hear the NA gentleman is going to the school. Folks could actually end up learning something

For the record:
I was wrong.
I'm worse at social media than I thought.
Free speech happened.
It didn't get physical.
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