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Undertoad · 03-21-2019, 07:03 PM

It's not just that "times are tough"*. It's WAY worse than that! In the end, we all die!

And all our loved ones die. Often with great pain and suffering. Before that, you will have to deal with a remarkable amount of pain and suffering yourself. The promise that "everything will made all better" disappears when we become adults and realize that the condition "all better" doesn't really exist and nobody is going to make it right.

So, life sucks and then you die is the default human condition. Peterson: So what are you going to do about that?

* Times are always tough. By almost any measure, our current time is arguably the least-tough time humanity has ever experienced. Life expectancy, the end of total war, the end of scarcity.

The richest person on earth, 200 years ago -- and every King in every Kingdom in history -- would have given it ALL up, in return for the miracle of modern dentistry.

But even in these marvelous times, we find ourselves nihilistic, jaded, desperately unhappy. It is a crisis of meaning.

Flint · 03-21-2019, 07:05 PM

Fair enough. Reminds me of 'Man's Search for Meaning' by Viktor Frankl.

"...chronicling his experiences as a prisoner in Nazi concentration camps during World War II, and describing his psychotherapeutic method, which involved identifying a purpose in life to feel positively about, and then immersively imagining that outcome."

xoxoxoBruce · 03-22-2019, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Times are always tough. By almost any measure, our current time is arguably the least-tough time humanity has ever experienced. Life expectancy, the end of total war, the end of scarcity.

End of scarcity if you can afford it. There's an awful lot of people who can't, which is even worse than when everyone is suffering from scarcity. Then it becomes "why me" piled on.

Flint · 03-22-2019, 03:13 AM

I was kind of thinking, what good is the miracle of Modern Dentistry if you can't afford to go to the dentist? Things being better on average doesn't make it better for the people who it's not better for.

03-21-2019, 07:05 PM	#2
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Fair enough. Reminds me of 'Man's Search for Meaning' by Viktor Frankl. "...chronicling his experiences as a prisoner in Nazi concentration camps during World War II, and describing his psychotherapeutic method, which involved identifying a purpose in life to feel positively about, and then immersively imagining that outcome." __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

03-22-2019, 03:13 AM	#4
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I was kind of thinking, what good is the miracle of Modern Dentistry if you can't afford to go to the dentist? Things being better on average doesn't make it better for the people who it's not better for. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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03-21-2019, 07:03 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It's not just that "times are tough". It's WAY worse than that! In the end, we all die! And all our loved ones die. Often with great pain and suffering. Before that, you will have to deal with a remarkable amount of pain and suffering yourself. The promise that "everything will made all better" disappears when we become adults and realize that the condition "all better" doesn't really exist and nobody is going to make it right. So, life sucks and then you die is the default human condition. Peterson: So what are you going to do about that?* * Times are always tough. By almost any measure, our current time is arguably the least-tough time humanity has ever experienced. Life expectancy, the end of total war, the end of scarcity. The richest person on earth, 200 years ago -- and every King in every Kingdom in history -- would have given it ALL up, in return for the miracle of modern dentistry. But even in these marvelous times, we find ourselves nihilistic, jaded, desperately unhappy. It is a crisis of meaning.

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