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11-11-2019, 01:46 PM
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Snowflake
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People don't seem to understand the flowchart on this.
Pathway #1 is that a person undergoes a normal puberty, turns 18, and then seeks medical intervention to attempt to reverse the hormonal effects, insomuch as this is possible. This isn't effective because some of the physiological effects of puberty are irreversible. Pathway #2 is that the hormonal effects of puberty are delayed. This is physiologically no different than Olympic gymnasts having a delayed puberty. In this case, there are no physiological changes, and no irreversible changes of any kind. The person turns 18 and can seek medical intervention, without the added complication of attempting to reverse physiological changes that have already taken place. ... There are no "transitioning" children-- this doesn't exist.
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11-11-2019, 01:53 PM
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Interesting. Honest question: Do we know there are no side effects of delaying puberty? And gymnasts really do that? |
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11-11-2019, 01:54 PM
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The future is unwritten
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The purpose of waiting till they're 18 is they are a legal adult and can call the shots(no pun).
But if they have hormones blocked along the way are they actually an adult? Or just legal. Isn't blocking hormones before 18 actually making a choice but not taking the responsibility for it?
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11-11-2019, 02:08 PM
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I think this line's mostly filler.
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Gymnasts (mostly; I imagine every type of doping has been done at some point) don't take drugs to delay puberty, but their intense food and exercise regimen delays it*, Quote:
Doing nothing is also a choice, but I would think that people would be far more likely to try to avoid responsibility for something by claiming that they just let nature take its course than would people who went on a specific medical regimen.
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11-11-2019, 02:23 PM
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Yes, they can decide against that path but how many will after years of being prepped and brainwashed that it's the right path.
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11-11-2019, 03:53 PM
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Does the doctor physically write the prescription and physically hold the needle? Does the parent care about their kid, and not want them to commit suicide? Of course, but this is not "calling the shots" by any stretch of the imagination.
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11-11-2019, 10:01 PM
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If you are right and the have no influence then the kid is making a choice before it's legal for him/her to do so.
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11-12-2019, 06:44 AM
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Snowflake
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I'm telling you "parents, Doctors, some adult is calling the shots for the kid" is wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you want to move the goalpost to "have any influence" that's a longer, more nuanced discussion and I didn't engage you on that.
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****************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio |
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We have to go back, Kate!
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Hormone therapy can also start very young, I believe. I don't know enough about it - but I do think there are risks of children being misdiagnosed with gender dysphoria and ending up on a railroad to transition. On the other hand children who genuinely have gender dysmorphia absolutely need proper help and support with a view to transitioning.
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