Medical Error Statistics

[Ibby]

the thing is, like.... okay, i dont trust doctors, either. but i dont trust doctors because they're people, and people who tend to end up in positions of relative power in their patients lives, and far too many doctors would rather make a buck, or feel powerful, or whatever. not saying every doctor, but we've all known doctors like that.

i also don't trust the pharmacology industry. but i don't trust the pharmacology industry because its an industry, a capitalistic one, out to make a profit. I dont trust them because they're willing to lie to sell their product, at the cost of people's lives. just look at the sacklers.

but that doesnt mean there's some grand conspiracy. It just means that the incentives in our system do not reward honesty. that also doesn't mean its all fake - a lot of this stuff, the actual science, is really damn hard to fake. and it especially doesnt mean that the real answer is to believe some quack who just wants to sell you bleach (or supplements, or iocaine powder, or grapeseed oil, or homeopathics, or) and steal your money.

"there are too many people in the for-profit medical system who have incentives to mislead and mistreat" does not have to mean "so there's some big grand conspiracy to lie to the world about medicine so you should do like me, eschew all health care, and let con artists sell you snake oil".... it means "be careful who you believe, always ask yourself what they're selling, and advocate for a system where your care comes before profit"

[xoxoxoBruce]

I saw a website of a pharmaceutical group where the listed half a dozen pretty specific symptoms and asked doctors to decide what they thought the cause was. For every set of symptoms there were thousands of doctors and many diseases guessed. There may some diseases some doctors aren't up on but it seemed to me it was a matter of so many things develop the same symptoms early on it's a crap shoot, a best guess if you want to treat it early. A good doctor knows what's going on in the neighborhood with infectious diseases, the patients history, and patients other conditions that may trigger or even hide symptoms.

For that 10 years of training plus accumulated experience they are underpaid, so are nurses. You hear about some top surgeon making a fortune especially plastic surgeons, but the rank and file MD is lucky to crack $150K. I wonder why offers of kickbacks on prescriptions and paid conferences in exotic locations is attractive.

The star of the show is the anesthesiologist, king of the OR. If the surgeon accidentally fucks up, ooops, sew it up. If the king fucks up, your dead, gone, no replay, that's why they average a half a million a year, and pay horrendous insurance rates.

But that doesn't concern you when you can get a complete medical education from Google in 10 minutes.

[jaminhealth]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I saw a website of a pharmaceutical group where the listed half a dozen pretty specific symptoms and asked doctors to decide what they thought the cause was. For every set of symptoms there were thousands of doctors and many diseases guessed. There may some diseases some doctors aren't up on but it seemed to me it was a matter of so many things develop the same symptoms early on it's a crap shoot, a best guess if you want to treat it early. A good doctor knows what's going on in the neighborhood with infectious diseases, the patients history, and patients other conditions that may trigger or even hide symptoms.

For that 10 years of training plus accumulated experience they are underpaid, so are nurses. You hear about some top surgeon making a fortune especially plastic surgeons, but the rank and file MD is lucky to crack $150K. I wonder why offers of kickbacks on prescriptions and paid conferences in exotic locations is attractive.

The star of the show is the anesthesiologist, king of the OR. If the surgeon accidentally fucks up, ooops, sew it up. If the king fucks up, your dead, gone, no replay, that's why they average a half a million a year, and pay horrendous insurance rates.

But that doesn't concern you when you can get a complete medical education from Google in 10 minutes.

What is the 10 minutes B.S. I've been working on holistic/alternative protocols and going out of mainstream for 30 yrs....what a bunch of wind around here....

I sat with family in attorney's office considering a malpractice case but the attorneys said one has to be about dead or lost legs or or or.... the loved one in family only lost her hearing, sudden hearing loss...that's all..

You have no idea where we've been with docs and their bag of tools and drugs.

Hope you sleep well....

[xoxoxoBruce]

30 years and still can't get it right, you're a lost cause.

[jaminhealth]

Originally Posted by Ibby

the thing is, like.... okay, i dont trust doctors, either. but i dont trust doctors because they're people, and people who tend to end up in positions of relative power in their patients lives, and far too many doctors would rather make a buck, or feel powerful, or whatever. not saying every doctor, but we've all known doctors like that.

i also don't trust the pharmacology industry. but i don't trust the pharmacology industry because its an industry, a capitalistic one, out to make a profit. I dont trust them because they're willing to lie to sell their product, at the cost of people's lives. just look at the sacklers.

but that doesnt mean there's some grand conspiracy. It just means that the incentives in our system do not reward honesty. that also doesn't mean its all fake - a lot of this stuff, the actual science, is really damn hard to fake. and it especially doesnt mean that the real answer is to believe some quack who just wants to sell you bleach (or supplements, or iocaine powder, or grapeseed oil, or homeopathics, or) and steal your money.

"there are too many people in the for-profit medical system who have incentives to mislead and mistreat" does not have to mean "so there's some big grand conspiracy to lie to the world about medicine so you should do like me, eschew all health care, and let con artists sell you snake oil".... it means "be careful who you believe, always ask yourself what they're selling, and advocate for a system where your care comes before profit"

Ibby: A voice of smarts and reason....The old docs were the trusted ones, the ones from the 80's on and the medical $$$$$ explosion, forget it.....they are more and more legal drug sellers and pushers....

And I'm talking Grape Seed Extract, the extract from the powerful seed in the grape. Many use oils and I have a little but don't now.....


Grape Seed is used in MANY products today cosmetics, medicines, foods and more....

Actually hope you naysayers don't buy into Grape Seed, we believers don't want to run out.