Jaquar said:
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Not the wording, just that, put slightly obliquely, correlation does not equal causation. We fuck up the ecosystem, the ecosystem gets fucked up, extrapolating anything else from that is erroneous.
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you are missing the part where the ecosystem fucks us up in response, to return the balance. Again, just staying within your own use of the words, and extrapolating from your givens.
Additional the correlation/causation thing is more of a statistical thing, yes? We are not talking about a statistical situation, but more of a 'gut feeling'. In that sense, there is little difference. It is evident that we could slow down the causes of the correlation, but have chosen not to, based on some sense of 'faith' that we'll just wake up one day and find everything to be peachy keen. I don't see that happening, or really, see any evidence of it ever happening in history. It takes action to counter-act action, not blind faith or fervent hope.
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My gut tells me we've just fucked up something major too, mostly a reaction to the news we've probably just hit that fun halfway point in atmospheric damage where feedback kicks in and it only gets faster but in the end, it's just that, nothing more, nothing less.
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Nothing more and nothing less that us fucking up something major. That is quite a bit of something, IMHO.
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As for dan rather on Iraq, fuck him and his glorification of war and death, I bet the Spaniards said the same about those they sent to annihiliate the aztecs.
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I don't know how Dan Rather came into the discussion, I was referencing the look on Miller's face, and his growing status as a 'War Icon'. You can see, reflected in his eyes, the Infinite.
It is an awesome picture that can capture such a thing, IMHO.