Ecologically-friendly nuclear

xoxoxoBruce · 07-16-2005, 05:52 PM

One more point...when you buy "wind generated" power, the power you get probably won't be actually be made by a wind generator(turbine) unless you're real close to the wind farm. Even then it's a variable supply depending on...well...the wind.

What you are buying is wind generated power to be slipped into the grid to replace some power that now won't be fossil fuel generated.
You're still doing a good thing, it's just globally or at least regionally rather than locally.

russotto · 07-17-2005, 05:39 PM

Electricity is fungible. There's no practical way to know whether the electrons you're harnessing get their juice from the big nuke plant up the street, or the Conowingo dam or whatever.

However:

Power companies don't transmit power long distances if they don't have to. Limerick is an enormous plant and it's right in the Cellar's (and my) back yard. It stands to reason that the vast majority of the power running the Cellar (not to mention my own laptop) is coming from the nuclear plant. So unless you've got specific information otherwise, region-wide information (covering 50,000 square miles in 5 states and D.C.) simply doesn't refute that claim.

When you come home from work every day to a scene from the opening of _The Simpsons_, you know where your power is coming from.

As for natural gas, current prices make such plants unattractive propositions.

tw · 07-18-2005, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by russotto

As for natural gas, current prices make such plants unattractive propositions.

If that were true, then why are most every new plant listed in the NERC coming online (for the Mid Atlantic and NY regions) using natural gas?

Troubleshooter · 07-18-2005, 02:10 PM

Because nobody wants to authorize a new nuclear plant.

That's the debil.

lookout123 · 07-18-2005, 02:19 PM

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which is why Rush Limbaugh types are so powerfully influential.

what is this fascination with rush limbaugh? limbaugh is just a schmo who takes his opinion, proof-texts to support it, and then presents it to everyone as if it were fact. then he insults anyone who disagrees with his view of things. over and over and over.

i don't really find that style of discussion to be very valuable. YMMV.

tw · 07-18-2005, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Because nobody wants to authorize a new nuclear plant.

At about $15 per megawatt hour to produce electricity, a nuclear plant can only be profitable if oil prices rise AND if premiums for insurance (due to high risk) is carried by the Federal government. For those who believe in a free market, nuclear power (fission type) remains only marginally profitable.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-18-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

If that were true, then why are most every new plant listed in the NERC coming online (for the Mid Atlantic and NY regions) using natural gas?

We're going to get lots of natural gas from Alaska as soon as we displace the critters and Colorado as soon as we displace the hippies.

07-16-2005, 05:52 PM	#1
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	One more point...when you buy "wind generated" power, the power you get probably won't be actually be made by a wind generator(turbine) unless you're real close to the wind farm. Even then it's a variable supply depending on...well...the wind. What you are buying is wind generated power to be slipped into the grid to replace some power that now won't be fossil fuel generated. You're still doing a good thing, it's just globally or at least regionally rather than locally. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-17-2005, 05:39 PM	#2
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	Cellar nuclear: Damn straight Electricity is fungible. There's no practical way to know whether the electrons you're harnessing get their juice from the big nuke plant up the street, or the Conowingo dam or whatever. However: Power companies don't transmit power long distances if they don't have to. Limerick is an enormous plant and it's right in the Cellar's (and my) back yard. It stands to reason that the vast majority of the power running the Cellar (not to mention my own laptop) is coming from the nuclear plant. So unless you've got specific information otherwise, region-wide information (covering 50,000 square miles in 5 states and D.C.) simply doesn't refute that claim. When you come home from work every day to a scene from the opening of _The Simpsons_, you know where your power is coming from. As for natural gas, current prices make such plants unattractive propositions.

07-18-2005, 02:10 PM	#4
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Because nobody wants to authorize a new nuclear plant. That's the debil. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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