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Spexxvet · 09-28-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

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the teachers union (bastards),
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Now, why would you say that?

Happy Monkey · 09-28-2006, 01:56 PM

I actually, though a 100% union supporter, have some sympathy for that position. As I was growing up, the degree of union alignment seemed directly proportional to the degree of crappiness of a teacher. An obvious reason for this is that a teachers' union is designed to benefit teachers, not students, and therefore they make it difficult to fire teachers. As a result, bad teachers may find that vocal union support is easier than improving their teaching.

But the fact is that teachers get royally shafted on a consistent basis. They need union representation and, what's more, they need union representation that is made up of royal bastards if they're not going to be run roughshod over in every negotiation. And even with this situation, it's a myth that bad teachers can't be fired. They can be. There's a process defined in every union negotiation. What really stops bad teachers from being fired isn't the union process, it's the fact that the principal has no reason to believe that the next person will be any better, so they stick with the devil they know.

morethanpretty · 09-28-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Man, I hate hearing about shit like this happening in Texas. We're not all this way!

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Originally Posted by Flint

Whatever religion attempts to repress only festers beneath the surface, becoming something worse.

I hate hearing ppl blaming religion for radical behavior. It is not always the religion in of itself that represses certain human behaviors. It is the humans who interpret that religion that do the repression. The Christian Bible for example says one should treat their body as a temple; meaning you should respect yourself. But that doesn't mean it is saying that showing the human body is bad. ADAM AND EVE WERE NAKED!!! It was after they ate the apple and sinned that they were ashamed of being naked. GOD gave humans sex for pleasure and procreation, otherwise sex wouldn't be pleasurable, although the Bible does restrict sex, labling many things sexually immoral (I.E. incest).
Unfortunatly many "Christians" interpret this differently. I love my sister for being a smart, logical and insightful Christian and teaching me to think the same way about things...but not necessarily thinking the same things as her.

Happy Monkey · 09-28-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty

I hate hearing ppl blaming religion for radical behavior. It is not always the religion in of itself that represses certain human behaviors. It is the humans who interpret that religion that do the repression.

That's what religion is. People's interpretations. That's why there are Catholics and Protestants.

Elspode · 09-28-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Whatever religion attempts to repress only festers beneath the surface, becoming something worse.

Yeah...politics.

Elspode · 09-28-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty

GOD gave humans sex for pleasure and procreation, otherwise sex wouldn't be pleasurable, although the Bible does restrict sex, labling many things sexually immoral (I.E. incest).

How come I've been hearing my whole life that sex is "Original Sin", then? And that it is only okay within the bonds of "Holy Matrimony"?

Did I miss a new interpretation somewhere?

09-28-2006, 02:30 PM

I've subbed during a strike with a COMPLETELY clear conscience. Kids come first, at ALL times. (no BS about the "long-run, either)

morethanpretty · 09-28-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

That's what religion is. People's interpretations. That's why there are Catholics and Protestants.

These are the definitions that a search at dictionary.com came up with

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re-li-gion /ri-lij-uhn/

–noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites.
8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.

I am using definition #2: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

I know that religion is shaped by people's interpretation, but most religions are based in a text which gives the guidlines for the religion. THAT is what religion is. Guidelines or "a specific fundamental set of beliefs or practices."

Happy Monkey · 09-28-2006, 07:40 PM

Catholics and Protestants started with the same text. Then there was a schism based on differing interpretations. There are hundreds of religions based on the Bible, but with different interpretations. Things that are fundamental in one may not be in another.

Flint · 09-28-2006, 07:41 PM

What can I say, I'm a realist. We could theorize "what religion is" all day long. Then, there is reality . . . (IE, thousands of years of human history)

morethanpretty · 09-28-2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode

How come I've been hearing my whole life that sex is "Original Sin", then? And that it is only okay within the bonds of "Holy Matrimony"?

Did I miss a new interpretation somewhere?

You didn't miss a new interpretation...you were taught a very misguided interpretation. It is considered sin outside marriage, I don't refute that. If it was sin why would God make it our means of procreation and why would He make it pleasurable so that we would want to? For ALL creatures, other than A-sexual reproducers. Well only humans and dolphins have sex for pleasure but thats irrevalent.

morethanpretty · 09-28-2006, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Catholics and Protestants started with the same text. Then there was a schism based on differing interpretations. There are hundreds of religions based on the Bible, but with different interpretations. Things that are fundamental in one may not be in another.

Catholics and Protestants are STILL Christians! Christianity is a religion. NOT Catholism that is a branch of Christianity. Islam is a religion, Sunni and Shi'a are branches of Islam. ANY religion based on the Bible is essentially, by definition Christian!

Flint · 09-28-2006, 07:55 PM

I think we're all pretty well-informed on the subject...

xoxoxoBruce · 09-28-2006, 08:54 PM

And which religion is screwing that art teacher in China?

morethanpretty · 09-28-2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

And which religion is screwing that art teacher in China?

China is a communist country and therefore technically aethiest...

09-28-2006, 01:56 PM	#17
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I actually, though a 100% union supporter, have some sympathy for that position. As I was growing up, the degree of union alignment seemed directly proportional to the degree of crappiness of a teacher. An obvious reason for this is that a teachers' union is designed to benefit teachers, not students, and therefore they make it difficult to fire teachers. As a result, bad teachers may find that vocal union support is easier than improving their teaching. But the fact is that teachers get royally shafted on a consistent basis. They need union representation and, what's more, they need union representation that is made up of royal bastards if they're not going to be run roughshod over in every negotiation. And even with this situation, it's a myth that bad teachers can't be fired. They can be. There's a process defined in every union negotiation. What really stops bad teachers from being fired isn't the union process, it's the fact that the principal has no reason to believe that the next person will be any better, so they stick with the devil they know. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

09-28-2006, 07:40 PM	#24
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Catholics and Protestants started with the same text. Then there was a schism based on differing interpretations. There are hundreds of religions based on the Bible, but with different interpretations. Things that are fundamental in one may not be in another. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

09-28-2006, 07:41 PM	#25
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	What can I say, I'm a realist. We could theorize "what religion is" all day long. Then, there is reality . . . (IE, thousands of years of human history) __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

09-28-2006, 07:55 PM	#28
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I think we're all pretty well-informed on the subject... __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

09-28-2006, 08:54 PM	#29
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	And which religion is screwing that art teacher in China? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-28-2006, 02:30 PM	#22
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I've subbed during a strike with a COMPLETELY clear conscience. Kids come first, at ALL times. (no BS about the "long-run, either)

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