Do You Hear That Sucking Sound?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Ugh, whoever wrote this obnoxious email doesn't understand the "thinking" correctly. But you are absolutely right, lhatcher; if it were easier for immigrants to enter/be here legally, more would. Most people don't want to come or be here illegally, it's often a matter of survival and they don't have much choice. I think the author of the email takes for granted the freedoms that we enjoy in the U.S., and can't begin to fathom any other way of life.

The author doesn't understand that a) millions of immigrants undocumented by U.S. Immigration are in fact documented by the IRS, and do contribute as much as anyone else, and b) if the workers who do not presently pay taxes are allowed to stay and become legal, they can get a SSN for that very purpose. I know I've said this stuff on other threads, so I apologize for sounding like a broken record.

Yes more would come legally if it were easier. But, we already accept more legal aliens than anybody else....I suspect probably everyone else combined.

When are we full? Where does it stop? Do you think they will ever fix their own country as long as they can come here? Do you realize what would happen if we just left the door open to all the people in the world that want to be here? How long would be until we didn't want to be here anymore?

Yes, some are paying taxes. But what about drivers licenses, car insurance, medical insurance so the ERs get paid, property taxes for the schools and all the other fees and levies we pay? Since they only want to take the money and run, I guess they wouldn't contribute any more than labor to the good of the country.

Do you think if it was easier to come here legally, the Mexicans would bring the whole clan and leave Mexico behind for good? Not send their money back to Mexico? I doubt it, but I don't have a crystal ball.

[bluecuracao]

Well, that's what we get for being America--we're not like everyone else. Never have been, never will be. We've always been the refuge, the fixers, the supplier of funds, the negotiators. We can't stop--if we do, we become the antithesis of what has created and sustained us.

The fear of the "open door" is not new by any means in U.S. history (I feel weird explaining this. Bruce, you're smart, you should know this). For centuries, people already here have always become very alarmed by cultural and population changes, but we've survived every wave to our general benefit.

Yes, if it were easier to legally come to the U.S. (and be here, for those recently arrived AND those who've spent almost their entire lives here), Mexican and other immigrants would bring their families to stay. As has been pointed out by others, there is little, if anything, for them to succeed or even just live in the countries they came from. Why? Because those countries suck, and we rule.

[xoxoxoBruce]

When I say "open door", I don't mean "open turnstile" where everyone coming in is documented. I mean open the door and anybody that wants to, can wander in without restriction or documentation. I will always be against that.

There are a million reasons to control our borders. Control doesn't mean closed, it means we know who is coming and going, we know who's here and in some cases, such as students, what they are doing here. This is one of the things we have a federal government for....one of the few legitimate duties of the feds ......who seem to be too busy messing with things they shouldn't, to do what they should.

I have no fear of foreigners that come here legally, have a desire to be Americans.....loyal Americans. They've been coming for two hundred years and making the country stronger and better, often more loyal and contributing more, than native borns.
I do fear and resent, however, invaders that come to pillage without regard for our laws....without regard for U.S./us.

The people in Los Angeles know real fear, up close and personal fear, from a criminal element that's come north to prey on illegals and branched out.... using the illegals as their power base/revenue source.
We're seeing much more of this in PA, also.... a hispanic criminal element that regularly preys on illegals for the money to expand their horizons. The victims can't get help from the law because they themselves are criminals of a different stripe.
Yes, I feel sorry for them, it sucks to live that way.....But I maintain their problems don't supersede the problem they are creating for/contributing to, the rest of us.

The Mexicans taking down the American flag at the CA Post Office and running up the Mexican flag....twice, with impunity....turns my stomach. Not because that piece of cloth is so important, but because it shows an attitude, shows they feel they are above our laws, shows they feel they can do whatever the hell they want and we can't stop them.
What do you think would happen to me if I ran the Scottish flag up at the Philadelphia Post Office. I guarantee I would at least be arrested. Why do they deserve more tolerance than I do? We both know what would happen to me in Mexico or most other countries.
We're different? We're better? We're more tolerant? Yes, but it's only in recent years that kind of crap would be tolerated. I contend it's not a good direction for the country when Political Correctness/embracing diversity, erodes the one thing Americans have in common.

Anecdotes abound, north vs south, east vs west, sailors vs Marines, city slickers vs country bumpkins, even men vs women..... but the one thing that kept us from really serious conflict was our differences were not as important as what we had in common. We would come together like family to defend our commonality....our Flag & Country.
If we lose that, we all become pink monkeys.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Yes, some are paying taxes. But what about drivers licenses, car insurance, medical insurance so the ERs get paid, property taxes for the schools and all the other fees and levies we pay?

Renters pay property tax, and everybody pays sales/gas/etc. taxes.

[xoxoxoBruce]

That's true. Except when they are sharing quarters provided by the employer.