Perverting democracy for politics

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by warch

Ya think? Lets look at those recent Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients...Tenet, Bremer, Franks....Rumsfeld...as they resign in disgrace, let's reward their incompetence. Heckuva job, now go write your book.

They resigned in disgrace? Where the hell did you get that?

[warch]

Disgrace? Their incompetence in prosecuting their respective jobs, weakening our national security, not comprehending the enemy or the complexity of the tasks at hand, not having the honor or strength to stand when it could have helped, and being forced out by political pressure and polls when the failures were too many, ("mistakes were made..." but by whom?) True, Bush was quite proud, apparently you are, too.
I suppose I have higher expectations and standards of competency from national leaders. To me they resigned not to have "more personal time with the family"...but because they failed.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18399374/site/newsweek/

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by warch

Disgrace? Their incompetence in prosecuting their respective jobs, weakening our national security, not comprehending the enemy or the complexity of the tasks at hand, not having the honor or strength to stand when it could have helped, and being forced out by political pressure and polls when the failures were too many, ("mistakes were made..." but by whom?) True, Bush was quite proud, apparently you are, too.
I suppose I have higher expectations and standards of competency from national leaders. To me they resigned not to have "more personal time with the family"...but because they failed.

I don't agree. But that's cool. Franks certainly did not leave in disgrace. Tenet, Rummy, and Bremer became ineffective leaders and it was time to go. It is the natural order of things. Many people rise to levels of upper leadership and not always due to their own control, become the fall guys for others failings or for system failings. That goes with the territory. I think most people who do this for a living understand that. I doubt any of them are hidding in some kind of disgrace you want to apply to them. In fact, I bet they are doing quite well. In a very short time I will bet we will see a turn about in similar circumstances. If anyone was ever disgraced in office I would say it was Clinton when he was impeached by Congress, that had to be a tough day for him and his family. His legacy will always include stories about a Blue Dress and a young girl named Monica. Too bad because I think he did more than that. But that is history. When and if the Dems take office in 08 we will see the same thing happen again, only this time with different names and different faces.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

snip~ I doubt any of them are hidding in some kind of disgrace you want to apply to them. In fact, I bet they are doing quite well.

Right on the mark. Lobbying, speaking tours, book deals, corporate perks for their influence with their unindicted co-conspirators.

Quite well indeed. There may not be honor among thieves, but there are plenty of honorariums.