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Old 08-26-2007, 02:17 AM   #18
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Note in the second reworded paragraph that no one person is singled out as short sighted. Nor does the second paragraph raise the poster to the heights of good sense as yours does. In your paragraph you manage to both insult yesman and elevate yourself.
Ok. And having done that, the example is now distorted and ambiguous. Your assumption is that by using two people we all know, then it is somehow insulting or demeaning. So let's make the example even more ambiguous and useless. Let's instead talk about mythical A and mythical B. And then we cannot even imply anyone as example since we must so worry about the emotions of adult children. Then we have zero idea what the example demonstrates.

Why do I so disdain political correctness? Your rewrite is a perfect example. Distort and make ambiguous only because we must be ‘politically correct’. Worry about emotions of children at the expense of clarity? Just another example of why politicians must tell half truths or lie rather than be honest to get elected.

Second point is about applying personal bias to see insult. Why does my paragraph insult yesman and elevate me? All people who view from a bigger perspective are superior? Are those who only see details of an event are inferior? Where did that spiteful bias come from? Why do you have so much contempt for the latter group? Why do you make an assumption using the same emotion that also justified racism? Why do you apply class to different people? You applied your personal biases to my paragraph. Had you not valued one group as inferior, then no insult exists.

Change your bias. If all who only see the little picture and all who see the bigger picture are equal, then where is this insult? The insult only exists when we apply your bias to that paragraph. That is DanaC’s bias; not tw’s.

Is a sergeant inferior to the general? That also is what you have just declared. Sergeant is an expert on making tactics work - application of weapons - trivial details. He can only see the little details. He does what yesman065 did. According to your bias, a sergeant is inferior because he can only see the little picture. Only the general has that larger perspective. Only the general is superior? Why do you make such value judgments? Why do you have such bias?

That ‘sergeant verses general’ concept was where I was headed with that paragraph and post. I would have never guessed you (and so many others) are so pre-judgmental as to consider a sergeant inferior to a general. Are all sergeants only cavemen? Is yesman065 also only a caveman because he did not immediately see the bigger picture? Only your assumptions are the source of insult.

I also do not accept the spiteful concept of 'good verses evil'. Do you remember that discussion? Do you think I just invented that to argue? Bull. There is no ‘good verses evil’ just as there is no value judgment of a ‘sergeant verses general’ AND no such value judgment in a paragraph contrasting ‘yesman065 and tw’. There was no value judgment except where the reader injected his own biases into that paragraph. Insult did not exist until you applied a personal bias that also defines sergeants as inferior. How many times must I make that point before you appreciate what I am saying? Only you saw the ‘little perspective’ as inferior to the ‘big perspective’. It's not even implied in my paragraph.

Well at least you are willing to put your opinions up for scrutiny. Yesman065 will not. He would entertain his emotions rather than explain why that paragraph is demeaning (the "it is because it just is" logic).

DanaC was willing to rewrite the paragraph. In doing so, you demonstrated how you would rather be politically correct than be honest and definitive. That you would distort the message only to appease those who must inject their bias into what they read. But then, that is what I have been saying all along. Does it make sense to you yet?

I am not playing a game with you. I truly don't have your personal biases which, for example, is why I saw so much hatred of April when others mocked her with contempt. Ask why I saw something completely different in the animosity spitefully directed at April. So much hostility only because she was probably posting as a confused teenager. Did you also hold so much contempt for April? Did you see overt bias that resulted in ‘I loath April’ posts? Do you also see “good and evil"? That too only comes from personal biases that even some religions openly (hatefully) encourage.

The only reason you took insult with that paragraph? You applied personal biases to that paragraph when no such emotional judgment was stated or even implied. I am not playing games with you for the exact same reason I was previously so adamant – there is no such thing as ‘good verses evil’ except among those who are so biased. My paragraph only has insult when we include your bias of 'those with little perspectives must be inferior'.

Two points. First your rewrite is ambiguous and distorted only becase we must worry about something that only children have - silly emotions. Some rediculous need to be "politically correct" because we must worry about another's emotions? Second, the only reason you saw insult is because of your biases. Only you saw the sergeant with trivial perspectives as somehow inferior. That silly and erroneous assumption is your bias; was never in my paragraph.
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