Smooth Running Democracies

[regular.joe]

What exactly do you mean by democratic deeds? For discussion sake, please cite examples of democratic deeds.

Our form of democracy, and our foreign policy are two very different things. They are connected in a way, the guys who ultimately make our foreign policy are elected. If the people in these United States do not agree with those decisions it takes 2 to 4 years to make that change. The cool thing is this: we don't have to have an armed rebellion cause we don't like those decisions. We can vote them back to the house they came from.

Country's are like adults, there are very few victims in this world. We are all mostly volunteers. Blaming the U.S. for the internal problems of many of the country's problems in the world is a bit childish. As countries and individuals, we all make decisions based on self that put us where we are today, in bed with who ever we may be in bed with.

Originally Posted by regular.joe

What exactly do you mean by democratic deeds? For discussion sake, please cite examples of democratic deeds.

Joe. I have limited access to the internet until Monday so I can't satisfy your request (I'm sure) just now.

Just to whet your whistle though, here are a few "off the top of my head" examples, though perhaps not necessarily the most pertinent ones:

1). The invasion of Irak against the wishes of the U.N. - ignoring the democratic "majority" vote.
2). The stiffling of alternative political philosophies within the U.S. - democratic freedom of expression/choice
3). Completely un-democratic practice of denying Americans citizens to visit certain countries, punishable by imprisonment - democratic freedom of movement/travel
4). The sanctioning of torture "under certain circumstances" - democratic "whatever that might be called in English"
5). Refusal to comply with international efforts of ecological concerns - democratic "majority vote"

These examples deal with the "now" - the "today". There are tons of additional examples to site within the last few years which still effect the situation today but were implemented during the previous decades.

Will that do 'till next week?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Aretha's doctor

Just to whet your whistle though, here are a few "off the top of my head" examples, though perhaps not necessarily the most pertinent ones:

1). The invasion of Irak against the wishes of the U.N. - ignoring the democratic "majority" vote.
2). The stiffling of alternative political philosophies within the U.S. - democratic freedom of expression/choice
3). Completely un-democratic practice of denying Americans citizens to visit certain countries, punishable by imprisonment - democratic freedom of movement/travel
4). The sanctioning of torture "under certain circumstances" - democratic "whatever that might be called in English"
5). Refusal to comply with international efforts of ecological concerns - democratic "majority vote"

Here are my "off the top of my head" responses. (pre coffee)

1) Invading Irak - Since when does the U.N. dictate what U.S. can and cannot do? If it was so bad was the U.S. sanctioned? Is there a U.N. force helping to defend Iraq from the evil American empire? I must have missed that.
2) no idea to what you are referring.
3) Completely intelligent policy. If you wanna go into a war zone or something do NOT expect us to come in and save your ass. Tell your family not to sue the U.S. Gov't. for your stupidity either.
4) Been done forever by virtually every country. Sad but true.
5) Comply with what? Be more specific and I'll address as best I can.

Please keep in mind here that I am, by no means, a scholor or formally educated in any of this.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Aretha's Doctor

2). The stiffling of alternative political philosophies within the U.S. - democratic freedom of expression/choice

Originally Posted by classicman

2) no idea to what you are referring.

(S)/he is talking about how we only allow for capitalistic political philosophies and how we isolate countries that go for socialist or communist ideals for the sole reason of their socio-economic stance. The cold war is over and we are still isolating Cuba (honestly, what have they done to deserve it?) and we are doing that to Venezuela right now and they are not immoral by any means. No matter what the Neocons say, we judge other countries on whether they are pro-western free market economies or not. Saudi Arabia is one of the most anti-democratic countries out there in the world today, and we support them while Venezuela is very democratic and we are isolating them because Chavez is a socialist and anti-imperialistic.