Rumors and Truth

Nirvana · 09-01-2008, 01:22 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080901/...palin_daughter

Looks like Gov Palin's daughter is pregnant right now.

regular.joe · 09-01-2008, 01:47 PM

Um, so what. She has kids who are being kids. Kids do the damnedest things. They drink, experiment with drugs, have sex, and generally test the waters of life.

I don't see why this is newsworthy, or why it will impact the vice presidency if McCain is elected. Oh, other then I can definitely relate to this ladies family life a little bit.

This all reminds me of an old quote attributed to Samuel Clemens. "If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed, if you do read the newspapers you are misinformed."

Not much I hate in this life, I sometimes hate the media.

Nirvana · 09-01-2008, 02:32 PM

I think it rebuts perfectly that nasty rumor that Palin hid her daughter's pregnancy and used it as her own. I find spreading false rumors for political gain repugnant and telling the truth refreshing. Obviously Mrs Palin felt the same way or she would not have made this announcement.

richlevy · 09-01-2008, 03:07 PM

McCain is trying to sell her to conservatives as an effective traditional mother and politician who is able to balance family and career. While parents may not be responsible for the actions of adult children, they are held responsible for their underage children.

McCain's camp says that he knew about all of this and chose her anyway. Personally, I think that's bullshit.

While it's refreshing to see a Republican sex scandal that does not directly involve the candidate, it's still trouble.

BTW, determining the age of a fetus is not an exact science, so the "she couldn't be pregnant then because she's pregnant now" argument may not fly.

I'm not sure if even liberals would be able to ignore something like this.

Nirvana · 09-01-2008, 03:12 PM

I agree its trouble but it does not speak of Palin herself as the one committing the subterfuge.

Nirvana · 09-01-2008, 03:29 PM

Some may find pregnancy at this age morally repugnant, but the age of consent in Alaska is 16. This is the age at which an individual may consent to have sex with someone over 18, legally. I am not sure underage would apply to her daughter if you are going by the legal definition for that state. The minimum age to marry in Alaska is 18. People under the age of 18 can marry with the consent of both parents.

richlevy · 09-01-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana

Some may find pregnancy at this age morally repugnant, but the age of consent in Alaska is 16. This is the age at which an individual may consent to have sex with someone over 18, legally. I am not sure underage would apply to her daughter if you are going by the legal definition for that state. The minimum age to marry in Alaska is 18. People under the age of 18 can marry with the consent of both parents.

Again, one of the reasons for her selection was her appeal to social conservatives, with the implication that she could be a mother of 4 underage children (1 with special needs) and manage the number two job in the US. This incident does not support that. Will her husband be Mr. Mom while she is VP or will she require a nanny? Who will care for her baby when she travels overseas, especially to countries to which embassy personnel are discouraged from bringing dependents.

Most liberals and real libertarians won't care, figuring that anyone has the right to mess up their own family, but social conservatives will have a mental image of the baby crying for his mother while she boards Air Force Two. The fact that she already has a family crisis while simply a state governor is not going to reassure anyone.

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The Alaska age of consent laws are unique. The age of consent in Alaska is 16. This is the age at which an individual may consent to have sex with someone over 18, legally, in Alaska. It applies both to heterosexual and homosexual acts

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In Alaska, as in many other states, the laws on statutory rape depend, in part, on the age difference between the two partners. The law recognizes statutory rape only in cases involving an age difference of more than 3 years. A 20 year old man who has sex with a 15 year old girl, in Alaska, is guilty of statutory rape. A 17 year old male who has consensual sex with a 15 year old girl is not guilty of statutory rape, under Alaska law.

Nirvana · 09-01-2008, 03:47 PM

Do you think Obama's kids will be crying for their Daddy when he boards Airforce 1?

Nirvana · 09-01-2008, 03:50 PM

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In Alaska, as in many other states, the laws on statutory rape depend, in part, on the age difference between the two partners. The law recognizes statutory rape only in cases involving an age difference of more than 3 years. A 20 year old man who has sex with a 15 year old girl, in Alaska, is guilty of statutory rape. A 17 year old male who has consensual sex with a 15 year old girl is not guilty of statutory rape, under Alaska law.

Moot point, the girl is 17 and could have been 16 at the time of the event depending on her exact BD which would have been the legal age of consent. Statutory rape does not apply.

Clodfobble · 09-01-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

Most liberals and real libertarians won't care, figuring that anyone has the right to mess up their own family, but social conservatives will have a mental image of the baby crying for his mother while she boards Air Force Two. The fact that she already has a family crisis while simply a state governor is not going to reassure anyone.

How many of your good friends are social conservatives, Rich? I posit that you have no idea what one would think.

bluecuracao · 09-01-2008, 03:51 PM

She would be considered underage, if she needs the consent of her parents to get married.

I wonder if Palin secretly wishes now that she had taught her daughter to use birth control...since the abstinence teachings obviously didn't work.

Nirvana · 09-01-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao

She would be considered underage, if she needs the consent of her parents to get married.

I wonder if Palin secretly wishes now that she had taught her daughter to use birth control...since the abstinence teachings obviously didn't work.

That is not how the law reads BC. There are two different laws and they do not necessarily work well together.

Clodfobble · 09-01-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao

I wonder if Palin secretly wishes now that she had taught her daughter to use birth control...since the abstinence teachings obviously didn't work.

If a liberal has a daughter who accidentally gets pregnant while using birth control, do they secretly wish they had taught the kid abstinence, since the birth control thing obviously didn't work?

Most people genuinely believe what they believe, across the board, and it's foolishly partisan to assume they don't.

bluecuracao · 09-01-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana

The minimum age to marry in Alaska is 18. People under the age of 18 can marry with the consent of both parents.

So this isn't what the law is in Alaska?

Nirvana · 09-01-2008, 04:01 PM

I guess it depends what you mean by underage, underage to have sex and get pregnant? Nope! Underage to get married ? ... yep!

09-01-2008, 01:22 PM	#1
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Rumors and Truth http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080901/...palin_daughter Looks like Gov Palin's daughter is pregnant right now.

09-01-2008, 01:47 PM	#2
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	Um, so what. She has kids who are being kids. Kids do the damnedest things. They drink, experiment with drugs, have sex, and generally test the waters of life. I don't see why this is newsworthy, or why it will impact the vice presidency if McCain is elected. Oh, other then I can definitely relate to this ladies family life a little bit. This all reminds me of an old quote attributed to Samuel Clemens. "If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed, if you do read the newspapers you are misinformed." Not much I hate in this life, I sometimes hate the media. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

09-01-2008, 03:07 PM	#4
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	McCain is trying to sell her to conservatives as an effective traditional mother and politician who is able to balance family and career. While parents may not be responsible for the actions of adult children, they are held responsible for their underage children. McCain's camp says that he knew about all of this and chose her anyway. Personally, I think that's bullshit. While it's refreshing to see a Republican sex scandal that does not directly involve the candidate, it's still trouble. BTW, determining the age of a fetus is not an exact science, so the "she couldn't be pregnant then because she's pregnant now" argument may not fly. I'm not sure if even liberals would be able to ignore something like this. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama Last edited by richlevy; 09-01-2008 at 03:20 PM.

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09-01-2008, 02:32 PM	#3
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	I think it rebuts perfectly that nasty rumor that Palin hid her daughter's pregnancy and used it as her own. I find spreading false rumors for political gain repugnant and telling the truth refreshing. Obviously Mrs Palin felt the same way or she would not have made this announcement.

09-01-2008, 03:12 PM	#5
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	I agree its trouble but it does not speak of Palin herself as the one committing the subterfuge.

09-01-2008, 03:29 PM	#6
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Some may find pregnancy at this age morally repugnant, but the age of consent in Alaska is 16. This is the age at which an individual may consent to have sex with someone over 18, legally. I am not sure underage would apply to her daughter if you are going by the legal definition for that state. The minimum age to marry in Alaska is 18. People under the age of 18 can marry with the consent of both parents.

09-01-2008, 03:47 PM	#8
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Do you think Obama's kids will be crying for their Daddy when he boards Airforce 1?

09-01-2008, 03:51 PM	#11
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	She would be considered underage, if she needs the consent of her parents to get married. I wonder if Palin secretly wishes now that she had taught her daughter to use birth control...since the abstinence teachings obviously didn't work.

09-01-2008, 04:01 PM	#15
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	I guess it depends what you mean by underage, underage to have sex and get pregnant? Nope! Underage to get married ? ... yep!

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