Rod Blagojevich (D)

[Elspode]

Originally Posted by dar512

Rod B is not going to jail for being a Democrat. He's going to jail for being a crook.

George Ryan (the prior governor) is in the pokey right now and is/was a Republican. Crooks must be non-denominational.

I believe that the original posting in this thread was intended to indicate that Democratic crooks are somehow more obvious, natural and frequent than any other kind.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Wolf has it right. This is chicago (illinois really but all the big guys come out of chicago) through and through. the last governor is still in prison. The mayor's office isn't exactly know for great ethics. chicago politicians only stick out if they aren't crooks.

Correct.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by monster

I think you misplaced your homekey row there, dude. feel for the little dots on the f and j before you start to type.

Why should I care about that?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by classicman

RES IPSA LOQUITUR - Lat. "the thing speaks for itself." Refers to situations when it's assumed that a person's injury was caused by the negligent action of another party because the accident was the sort that wouldn't occur unless someone was negligent.

Yes. I was referring more to the translation than anything else.

[TheMercenary]

Union Is Caught Up in Illinois Bribe Case

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/12/us...s/12union.html

[classicman]

The Service Employees International Union has long boasted that it is on the cutting edge of the labor movement. But the union found itself badly embarrassed this week when it was named in the federal criminal complaint charging Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich of Illinois with maneuvering to secure financial gain from the appointment of the state’s next senator.

The complaint said Mr. Blagojevich’s chief of staff, John Harris, had suggested to a service employees official that the union should help make the governor the president of Change to Win, a federation of seven unions that broke away from the A.F.L.-C.I.O. The complaint said Mr. Blagojevich, a Democrat, was seeking a position that paid $250,000 to $300,000 a year.

In exchange, the complaint suggested, Mr. Blagojevich had expected the service employees union and Change to Win to seek to persuade him to name President-elect Barack Obama’s first choice, Valerie Jarrett, to succeed Mr. Obama in the Senate. The union would also receive help from the Obama administration, presumably for its legislative agenda.

Damning information to say the least.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by glatt

The first article I read on the subject listed him as a D. Maybe you guys should be reading the washington post.

Or just about anything else.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by classicman

DON'T FIRE FITZ
This is a great opportunity for Obama if he is truly free of any of this, and I certainly hope he is, to be the leader and be as forthright as he claimed he would be during the election.

He already did. I'm not sure why that answer would change after Fitzgerald investigated a guy who hates him.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Fox, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, ATDGAFGFEALMOP, have all become pretty faces focused on pushing their agendas at the expense of unbiased reporting of facts. It's a shame really.

A bit of a shame, yeah. But I see it as more a reversion to the journalistic norms of the nineteenth century, when it was routine even for papers that weren't established as party organs from the beginning to clearly favor one party over others, or the other.

But you can do pretty well by taking opposing biases, mentally leaning them up against each other, and dropping a plumbline. It should land pretty near what is actually the case. / + \ --> /\, then /|\.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Elspode

I believe that the original posting in this thread was intended to indicate that Democratic crooks are somehow more obvious, natural and frequent than any other kind.

My problem with the Democrats is not that they're crooked -- no one here takes any view of politicians other than from the skeptical to the downright jaundiced. Congress' approval ratings are still in the cellar, if not the teens.

My problem is the leadership of the Democrats just isn't very wise, and has had zero success in advancing democracy around the globe since Truman. Truman left office in 1954. That's a long time of failure. At the end of the day, indefensible. Socialism is the road of currency debasement and thus unwisdom, and the Dem Party is in thrall to its socialists. Unwisdom. Bureaucracy is the Dem Party's solution to every problem, real or imagined. Unfortunately, it's not the way to get something done, or services provided. Bureaucracy is a pretty fair pre-Internet way to move information around, but its natural tendency is to inertia and it overly limits effort and problemsolving in its attempts to plan, budget, and administer. Paring bureaucratic tendencies away from a society makes that society more dynamic and endows it with a livelier economy.

By contrast, the Republicans have been the ones to win democracy's battles for us, and to fight wars as if they intended to win them -- which a good many senseless people think is just criminal somehow. Can't see the how myself -- only that some American bozos don't want us winning. They suck, and blindly too. Amazing just how angry they become when their inadequacy of thought is ranged before them beyond mistake. Anybody would think they whore after a false god.

And yes, the Reps are about as enamored of bureaucracy as the Dems are. I'd hate to have to live on any difference there. No wonder I profess Libertarianism as my political persuasion, despite objections from certain parties.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Your bias should be expected, and taken into account.

Yours as well. I could offer some suggestions about where you might take your bias and what you might do with it.

"As for me and my house," we find the Democratic Party a regular, routine disappointment.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Your lies are still lies. Go back and read post 38.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Or just about anything else.

You may not like it and they may not have done it in this case but Michelle is right.

[ZenGum]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Congress' approval ratings are still in the cellar, if not the teens.

You watch what you sayin', buster! We don't allow no congressmen in here!

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

My problem is the leadership of the Democrats just isn't very wise, and has had zero success in advancing democracy around the globe since Truman. Truman left office in 1954.

Ah - ahhhh - ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh-Bosnia!

I'm sorry, I have a cold.