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02-01-2009, 04:48 PM | #61 | ||
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#28781200 There are a couple of interviews there. Just click on them. and this has been all over the news. Do you not watch the news? Quote:
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02-01-2009, 04:52 PM | #62 |
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No, he should be applauded. Anytime our government is behaving outside of the law, SOMEONE needs to come forward. Otherwise our government turns into a shadow government that can commit all kinds of abuses against the people. That is not the kind of government we are supposed to have. that is what we fight against in other countries.
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What about the leaking of Valerie Plame's name? No one was punished for that. Still haven't been. and it can most certainly be argued that is was done for political reasons, and by people very high up the food chain...
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That was my point. Now the next question is ...who? Was is someone higher up or just someone who got passed over for a promotion or ..a zillion other scenarios. We just don't know - therefore again we are just speculating.
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I can't agree more. Someone or a group of people should be behind bars. Purely a political leak. Completely damaging to interests of national security.
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Meanwhile, it would appear that Tice has a bone to pick with his former employer that has nothing to do with FISA. |
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02-01-2009, 09:36 PM | #68 | |
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I would hope the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act that the Democrats introduced last session, and passed in the House (bipartisan vote, 331-94) but stalled in the Senate, will be reintroduced this year. Bush had threatened to veto it. |
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Richard Armitage leaked Plame's name. Since no charges were filed despite extensive efforts of the Prosecutor in this case, one might guess that leaking the name was not unlawful.
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02-01-2009, 09:44 PM | #70 | |
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But to me, this issue is irrelevant and has nothing in common with the more important issue of protecting government employees who leak (I would rather not see a leak in the press, but a better internal process to protect such employees) information on potentially illegal activities. |
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So many people have come out against Bush and his administration and their policies, from the very beginning when he was first elected, and people on the right always say they had an axe to grind. Well they couldn't all just be disgruntled employees. The fact that there have been so many speaks volumes, to me anyway. |
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BTW, Undertoad...if Tice, in his recent interviews, had provided any detail beyond just the general outline of what he observed in the way of potentially illegal spying on citizens by the NSA with an authorization from Bush, he would likely have been subject to arrest under the Official Secrets Act. What I would like to see is an independent commission like the one proposed last month by the Democratic chair of the House Judiciary Committee. Quote:
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But he doesn't. He just puts his poorly-explained evidence of *something* suspicious and lets it hang there, so people will take it as confirmed that domestic spying happened. And if it were me, and I had actual, damning evidence of illegal operations, I would accept being arrested for revealing it. How about you? |
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02-03-2009, 08:40 AM | #75 | |
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I dont know that I am that noble as to potentially risk 5-10 years in jail for crimes against the "people" committed by higher ups. I would like to think so. I do believe that it is essential that the fact surrounding the Bush administration actions and their unilateral interpretation of presidential "war powers" (particularly when Congress had not declared a "state of war") be brought to light. Which is why I believe that these many Bush memorandum be made public and part of an investigation such as that proposed in the Commission described above. Not for the purpose of putting Bush officials on trial, but for putting further safeguards in place to restore the executive/legislative checks and balances and prevent such actions by any future president. |
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