Anonymous Mom, No Dads, + 14

[TheMercenary]

Lucky for her.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Are you truly saying you think that a woman's choice regarding her own body and reproduction should be taken away?

First of all, having that many embryos implanted should not BE a choice. How is that in any way a reproductive right? In addition, the woman already had SIX KIDS. I think she needs psychological help.

...Are you kidding me??

Nope.

Who are you to tell ANYONE else how many children they can have?

NOfuckingBODY.

If you want something done about the world's population, I have three words for you: You go first.

ftr, I don't have ANY kids. I CHOSE not to have kids. Never wanted them. So OK. Me first.

When it comes to the WORLD POPULATION, and how that effects the quality of life for EVERYONE on this planet, especially in such a consumer-driven society that is fucking up the entire planet, then I have every right to voice my opinion, and in my opinion, it's selfish as HELL to want that many fucking kids. If you want that many kids, have two of your own, and then adopt some. Don't like my opinion, too bad. I'm entitled to it as much as you are entitled to yours.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

First, overpopulation is a myth. There is plenty of arable land on the planet, it's politics and greed that keep people starving. There has been speculation on overpopulation since the late 1690s. Source

The fact that there is arable land has nothing to do with the fact that the earth cannot sustain the amount of people that are already here, much less billions more of them.

Second, the earth is not more important than people. I'm not saying that people shouldn't responsibly maintain stewardship of the planet's resources and ecosphere, but I *am* saying that people are more important than the earth.

Great. Without the earth there would BE no people. People are no more important than any other thing/being/plant on the planet. The earth and the ecosystems of the earth are based on a delicate balance. PEOPLE are the only creatures on the planet to mess up that balance.

That being said, Forced Reproductive Control is abhorrant!! How can anyone truly believe that every person is entitled to basic human rights and dignity ALSO believe that doesn't include the right to have children?

Having 6 embryos implanted into your uterus is NOT a basic human right. Having 14 kids is NOT a basic human right. No one is saying people should not be able to have ANY kids. But for crying out loud, how is it a BASIC RIGHT to be able to have as many as you want?

I honestly do NOT understand that a person can be "pro-choice" when it comes to killing babies, but when it comes to having them, NO CHOICE FOR YOU!!

I do not think embryos are babies. By your logic, do you take medicine when your sick? OMG! You're killing all those bacteria and viruses! How dare you kill life!

[Aliantha]

PEOPLE are the only creatures on the planet to mess up that balance.

It's not just people mate. Throughout history there have been events which have really fucked things up for the animals, as well as the people which people have had nothing to do with.

[classicman]

Cows too and all their "gas"

[Aliantha]

Well I was thinking about ice ages, and meteor showers etc.

Cows and their gas could be directly attributed to humans. There wouldn't be so many if not for us.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I am more concerned with the babies at this point. Medical malpractice, if there was any, is after the fact and can be taken care of through normal channels. On the other hand, who is going to care for all these kids. This afternoon they interviewed the grandmother and had film of the inside of the house from BEFORE these births and the place was an absolute mess {sorry to any of those in my house is a mess thread}, but to have to care for so many kids you really have to be organized. I can't imagine 6 and now more than 6. The mother has claimed bankruptcy, basically has no job, no income, and is supported by her mother. This case begs for someone from the state to come in and snatch these kids away. I bet that will be the end result. And yes folks, you will all be stuck with their bill, well all of you who live in California anyway.

HA! California is broke, haven't you heard? They can't give people refunds for overpaying their taxes all year (which makes a GREAT argument for claiming 6 or 7 on your W2, and owing a little bit at the end of the year, instead of waiting for a refund). The state is actually paying clients with IOUs. So, who will end up paying for these kids? Everyone will.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I vote for a court ordered tubal ligation.

Me 2.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

It's not just people mate. Throughout history there have been events which have really fucked things up for the animals, as well as the people which people have had nothing to do with.

Events, yes. But not other creatures.

[Aliantha]

There are always fluctuations in the food chain.

People aren't always the reason animals go extinct.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

There are always fluctuations in the food chain.

People aren't always the reason animals go extinct.

I didn't say that.

[Aliantha]

My mistake then. I thought that's what you meant when you mentioned the delicate balance of the ecosystem being upset.

[sugarpop]

It's cool. I know things go extinct all the time without human interference, but I would call that nature correcting itself. Humans still have a HUGE impact on not only animals and ecosystems, but also other resources, like the way we are strip-mining everywhere we can. It's one reason why I am against marble and granite countertops.

[HungLikeJesus]

I'm with sugarpop on this one. I think even having five kids is way too many... or even two. When people say, "We're just replacing ourselves." I say, "Yes, but you're still here."

[Aliantha]

So how many kids should people have then HLJ? Do you think we should stop breeding all together? Or just have one? China tried that out of course, and look at the human rights issues that resulted from that.