Obama--the grumblings

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Let me guess, talking points lifted from MoveOn.whoreg?

As you well know, I provided cites for many of those in other discussions...(FISA, FOIA, DOJ politicization, politicization of IGs...) ..none of which was moveon.org

I can give you more cities if you like, when i have time

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

As you well know, I provided cites for many of those in other discussions...(FISA, FOIA, DOJ politicization, politicization of IGs...) ..none of which was moveon.org

I can give you more cities if you like, when i have time

No, as I clearly pointed out, you are concentrating on some very small segments of the last 8 years. Not that some of them have not had a significant impact on that single narrow area of government cited. But the fact remains that the example you have cited are very small and detract from the fact that there are a lot of good people in the rest of these agencies who have worked hard for all the right reasons for the last 8 years, and they have done a good job making things work. So far I have not seen anyone getting dragged into the Senate to be Impeached before Congress. Wait, that did happen before Bush. I think it was for Lying Under Oath.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No, as I clearly pointed out, you are concentrating on some very small segments of the last 8 years. Not that some of them have not had a significant impact on that single narrow area of government cited. But the fact remains that the example you have cited are very small and detract from the fact that there are a lot of good people in the rest of these agencies who have worked hard for all the right reasons for the last 8 years, and they have done a good job making things work. So far I have not seen anyone getting dragged into the Senate to be Impeached before Congress. Wait, that did happen before Bush. I think it was for Lying Under Oath.

I have never impugned the reputation of the honest workers in the executive branch.

My focus has been the political appointees at the top. And the evidence of questionable practies, some of which were violations of administrative policies and practices and others violation of law.

The number of such questionable actions across the executive branch over the last eight years exceeds any recent administration and that is a fact.

added:

Here is an example I raised before....the appointment of Inspectors General in the Executive Branch.

The IGS are supposed to be the watchdogs of the federal agencies. There are guideline for their appiointment that makes it clear that the appointment should not be political but rather merit based.

In nearly 2/3 of the agencies of the executive branch, the Bush appointment to the position of IG did not meet those guidelines, but were political (former WH employees, RNC employees, staff members of Republicans in Congress) with no auditing, investigation or legal experience. In the Clinton admin, it was less than 1/3.

This action is not illegal or even a violation of administrative laws or procedure...IMO, it is unethical.

And it is not a small matter...it runs across the board of the executive branch and impacted the manner in which impartial oversight was not in place to ensure that federal agencies acted legally, ethically and in the public interest.