Obama's Dog

Originally Posted by Nirvana

This is a link to pending legislation in the state of Maine where if you have 1 [ yes 1] intact female adult dog you are considered a breeding kennel. Of course they make exclusions for show kennels, hunting dogs etc except that any extra offspring cannot be sold so that would make someone worse than a pet miller they would be collectors because to breed you would have to keep everything you produce.

2. License fees. The fee for a breeding kennel license is calculated by multiplying the number of adult female dogs and cats at the breeding kennel capable of breeding by $500.

I have a two lb Chihuahua technically under this law I would have to pay $150 for her because technically she is capable of producing offspring and because having one breedable female I am considered a kennel so I would then have to pay $500 but no one in their right mind would breed a 2 lb dog and most veterinarians would not perform surgery on a dog that small when it is not an emergency. These are crazy laws and the HSUS is rushing these things to every state in the union that will listen to their lobbyists.

This is the goal of PETA and the HSUS that no one can breed or own an animal and that the government will take away your rights to have pets of any kind..

http://janus.state.me.us/legis/LawMa...=1&SessionID=8

Hey...I agree about the extremist position of PETA.....but I suspect PETA has less influence in state legislatures than industry lobbyists.

Has any state come anywhere close to taking away individual breeding rights or the right to own a pet....rather than addressing issues related to "puppy mills"?

In any case, my point was more to the credibility of the CCF as a "consumer" advocate. It is not.....it is an industry front group.

[Nirvana]

Whether they are an advocate or not is a moot point when they are telling you the truth.

Los Angeles already has taken away your right to choose your own health care for your own dog. The link I posted for Maine is about to go before the legislature there if it passes that will effectively end dog /pet ownership in that state.

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Whether they are an advocate or not is a moot point when they are telling you the truth.

Los Angeles already has taken away your right to choose your own health care for your own dog. The link I posted for Maine is about to go before the legislature there if it passes that will effectively end dog /pet ownership in that state.

Telling the truth? Because they provided UNSOURCED allegations? Not one statement on those CCF "fact sheets" is footnoted with a source to document its accuracy.

And simply because a bill may be introduced is in no way indicative of likelihood of consideration by the legislature or even less indicative of likelihood of passage. Hell, just about any group can usually find one sympathetic legislator to introduce a bill on almost anything.

[Nirvana]

It has already passed in Los Angeles, some of these animal bills were introduced in various states within a 3 week time frame.

http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/

Read their propaganda for yourself.

Originally Posted by Nirvana

It has already passed in Los Angeles, some of these animal bills were introduced in various states within a 3 week time frame.

http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/

Read their propaganda for yourself.

I'm all for "puppy mill" legislation or legislation banning "downed" animals in the food supply.

[Nirvana]

HSUS Bludgeons Heartland Dog Owners

Legislation Up For Vote Now In Indiana & Oklahoma, Hearing In Illinois


by JOHN YATES

American Sporting Dog Alliance

http://www.americansportingdogalliance.org

asda@conline.net


This article is archived at: http://eaglerock814.proboards107.com...eral&thread=25


The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) has launched a 34-state offensive against people who raise dogs, and the heat has been turned up to high in Indiana, Illinois and Oklahoma. In all three states, actions are scheduled for this week that may have a profound impact on everyone who loves purebred dogs


It is imperative for dog owners in all three states to take a stand now and play an active role in working to defeat this legislation.


HSUS claims the legislation is meant to regulate “puppy mills,” which is the derogatory term used by animal rights groups to describe commercial kennels.


In fact, however, all of this legislation actually is aimed at high quality avocational breeders of purebred dogs who are not involved in any way with the wholesale pet trade. The targeted breeders are the people who work the hardest and care the most about improving their chosen breed of dogs.


Action is scheduled this week on:


* An Indiana bill that will make anyone who sells even one litter of puppies a year into a pet dealer. This bill was snuck through committee with no notice given to dog owners, and has gone to the full House for a vote. Many serious hobby breeders also would be classed as commercial kennels for very intense regulation and a prohibition of outdoor housing that is dangerous for hunting and working dogs. Many rescue groups also would be destroyed.



* An Illinois bill snags up everyone who owns three intact breeding females under commercial kennel rules, and sets a 20-dog maximum on the number of sexually intact dogs that can be owned or possessed. Many trainers, handlers and serious hobby breeders would be harmed needlessly. We also urge dog owners to sign our online petition to stop this bill (see below).



* And an Oklahoma bill passed through committee by an 11-2 vote and is headed toward the full House for a vote. This legislation targets anyone who sells, offers to sell, gives away or adopts out 25 or more dogs or puppies a year, by subjecting them to truly totalitarian enforcement measures. Some rescue programs would be destroyed.



Each of these states will be profiled separately below.


The American Sporting Dog Alliance recently released reports that have covered HSUS initiatives this year in Maine, Pennsylvania, New York, Maryland, New Jersey, Florida, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Tennessee, Illinois, Texas, Minnesota, California, Montana, Virginia, Colorado and Oregon. Updates and new reports will be released this week about legislation in California, Montana, Nebraska, Tennessee, Florida, Washington and Texas. HSUS-sanctioned legislation is expected soon in Ohio, North Carolina, Michigan, Arizona, New Mexico and Wisconsin.



HSUS is an extremist animal rights group with the long-range goal of eliminating all animal ownership in America. It recognizes the political impossibility of doing this immediately, and thus has adopted an incremental strategy of tightening the noose. Its strategy also is to develop and exploit sensational emotional issues, such as “puppy mills,” and then to extend the definition and impact far beyond the stated goals. HSUS, which has annual revenues in excess of $150 million and dozens of employees and professional lobbyists in many states, is the political arm for the animal rights movement. It does not operate a single animal shelter anywhere, despite its name.


HSUS has vowed to strike dog owners in 34 states early in 2009. Organizations that defend the rights of dog owners are, quite frankly, being overwhelmed by this concerted attack. HSUS learned a lesson last year, when dog owners were able to defeat them in almost every fight, because they were spread out over many months and allowed us to focus our limited resources. This year’s HSUS strategy is to attack everywhere at once, and use its army of highly paid employees and lobbyists to push through legislation quickly. It has the money, personnel and organization to wage this blitz attack, but dog owners simply lack the resources to effectively combat it. We have been placed totally on the defensive.


Thus, we are urging dog owners to get off of the sidelines and take a very active role. We also are urging you to support at least one organization that advocates for dog ownership rights with both donations and a sincere commitment of your time and talents.


We also urge dog owners to form alliances of mutual support with farm organizations, sportsmen’s groups, firearms rights advocates, landowners groups, and people who defend property rights. These diverse organizations fully understand the ramifications of the animal rights movement on American traditions and life.


Please follow this link to see detailed reports about the legislation in Indiana, Illinois and Oklahoma, and also to find information you will need to take constructive action and sign our online petition: http://eaglerock814.proboards107.com...eral&thread=25 .


Visit us on the Web at http://www.americansportingdogalliance.org, or contact us at asda@conline.net .


PLEASE CROSS-POST AND FORWARD THIS REPORT TO YOUR FRIENDS

My last point on this.

You complain about "propaganda" on one side and accept it as "factual" on the other side ("a 34-state offensive against people who raise dogs" or your "right to own a pet may be threatened" just might be a bit of an overstatement and mischaracterization.)

How about holding both sides more accountable for accurately describing their advocacy efforts?

[Nirvana]

People parrot what they hear the most , you are a perfect example you are against puppy mills, what is a puppy mill to you? Someone who sells 5, 10, 25 puppies a year? Is one intact female dog a kennel?
These are stupid laws that will be enacted if all anyone does is say they are against things that are not really described properly in the proposed legislation. This is an attack on your basic right to own property and like it or not pets are your property they are not human beings.

I support the humane treatment for all dogs,[animals] education, voluntary spay/neuter for non-breeding animals, genetic research, and ethical breeding practices, including health screenings, which mean longer, happier, healthier lives for dogs.
I oppose the most radical portions of the agendas of groups such as HSUS and PETA. These agendas are not intended solely to promote the welfare of dogs, but seek to bestow on them rights, in some cases equivalent to those of human beings. They want to ban breeding of all domesticated animals, including purebred dogs.

In the future maybe no one will be allowed to own pets?

Originally Posted by Nirvana

I support the humane treatment for all dogs,[animals] education, voluntary spay/neuter for non-breeding animals, genetic research, and ethical breeding practices, including health screenings, which mean longer, happier, healthier lives for dogs.
I oppose the most radical portions of the agendas of groups such as HSUS and PETA. These agendas are not intended solely to promote the welfare of dogs, but seek to bestow on them rights, in some cases equivalent to those of human beings. They want to ban breeding of all domesticated animals, including purebred dogs.

I too oppose the most radical portions of PETA's agenda.

But without some government regulation, how do you guarantee humane treatment for all dogs (animals) or ethical breeding practices or not having down animals in the food supply or other abuses that have been widely documented?

Leave it to voluntary industry self-regulation? W/o some level of government oversight, when has industry acted in the best public interest and not their own self-interest?

In the future maybe no one will be allowed to own pets?

Sounds like your "parroting" propaganda.

[Nirvana]

There is nothing wrong with government oversight, my concern is the wording of most of this legislation and the underhanded way it is being bulldozed thru some state legislatures. In Indiana this supposed animal cruelty bill was sandwiched in with stiffer penalties for rapists and convicted felons. WTF!!
Part of it was written if you had 5 dogs that would make you a kennel even if you never bred any of the dogs. No more pets, this is the eventual plan of animal rights activists and if you are not aware then your rights are being taken away and apathy reigns.

Originally Posted by Nirvana

There is nothing wrong with government oversight, my concern is the wording of most of this legislation and the underhanded way it is being bulldozed thru some state legislatures. In Indiana this supposed animal cruelty bill was sandwiched in with stiffer penalties for rapists and convicted felons. WTF!!
Part of it was written if you had 5 dogs that would make you a kennel even if you never bred any of the dogs. No more pets, this is the eventual plan of animal rights activists and if you are not aware then your rights are being taken away and apathy reigns.

I think you are "parroting" again.

Where is the evidence of the "underhanded way" these bills are being "bulldozed through state legislatures"....or the IN bill was "sandwiched in with stiffer penalties for rapists and convicted felons"?

Show me legislative reports, not propaganda from the breeding industry.

[Nirvana]

Are you with the HSUS?

Nope...and I'm not with ACORN either (for classic and merc).

I just dont like bullshit from either side of an issue.

If you can document the "underhanded way" these bills are being "bulldozed through state legislatures"....or the IN bill was "sandwiched in with stiffer penalties for rapists and convicted felons"...then I might have a different response.

[Nirvana]

I can only find the amendments to this bill now not the bill in its original form.

The IN bill makes a distinction between "pet dealers" (sells or offers for sale more than five dogs in one year) and "commercial dog breeder" (a person who maintains adult female dogs that produce ten or more litters in one twelve month period).....and regulates them differently.

So its false and misleading to suggest that a person selling five dogs a year will be treated the same as a kennel or commercial breeder. Thats the kind of propaganda I'm talking about.