You must have an enemy

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by Luce

Given the two groups I mentioned, I don't believe in giving them a warning. Do you think one is warranted? Both of those groups are pretty odious, and a direct existential danger to everyone around them.

As a natural rights libertarian, I absolutely agree: nazis, islamists (along with socialist/commies and thought police) are "direct existential danger(s) to everyone around them".

When one of those jackasses willingly, knowingly, deprives someone of life, liberty, or property, then go to town on 'em (and not one damn second before).

[Luce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

As a natural rights libertarian, I absolutely agree: nazis, islamists (along with socialist/commies and thought police) are "direct existential danger(s) to everyone around them".

When one of those jackasses willingly, knowingly, deprives someone of life, liberty, or property, then go to town on 'em (and not one damn second before).

I didn't say Islamists. I said ISIS.

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by Luce

I didn't say Islamists. I said ISIS.

half a dozen of one, six of the other

anywho: kinda missin' my point

[lumberjim]

yes, I think a warning is warranted.



hey, good talk, it was informative.

[Gravdigr]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

What kind of arm band do you wear to warn others of the danger they are in if you disagree with their views?

Wh--Wha-

Warn them????

[Gravdigr]

There can't be no us without a them...

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

There can't be no us without a them...

that's wrong.


enemies are like problems. if i solved all your problems and killed all your enemies in a day, you'd invent new problems and create new enemies.



fix your point of view. there are no problems, there are no enemies.


there are situations and other people that are starring in their own realities.


respect them and have peace, or struggle against them and have suffering.


your choice.

[Undertoad]

To work hard at identifying the correct enemy, to imagine their evil thinking, to consider the possible attacks, to fantasize about the violence, this all the chimp heritage right here right now

It will be our destruction

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Luce

… I will put up with anyone who puts up with everyone else, no matter how much I disagree with them. Nazis and ISIS are the only two groups that I don't feel any need to tolerate on even a provisional basis.

Originally Posted by henry quirk

As a natural rights libertarian, I absolutely agree: nazis, islamists (along with socialist/commies and thought police) are "direct existential danger(s) to everyone around them". ...

Originally Posted by Luce

I didn't say Islamists. I said ISIS.

Originally Posted by henry quirk

half a dozen of one, six of the other
...

Originally Posted by Luce

So you are suggesting that all Muslims are the same as ISIS fanatics?

Originally Posted by henry quirk

nope. muslims and islamists are two different animals.

Originally Posted by henry quirk

… I wasn't puttin' words in your mouth; I just see no difference between islamists and isis.

(changes in BOLD type mine for continuity)

The definitions can be a slippery slope.

I find it helpful to think of it as the Spectrum of Islam Continuum:

Muslims (have Islam as their religion) > Fundamentalist Muslims/Islamists (have Islam as their religion and politics by peaceful means) > Extreme/Fanatic/Radical Islamists [Extremists] (have Islam as their religion and politics by any means necessary).

Between the terms Muslims and Islamists there's some overlap; but, I don't consider them the same.

Between the terms Islamists and Extremists (like ISIS) there's some overlap; but, I don't consider them the same.

FWIW:

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/...-vs.-islamists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism

[henry quirk]

Originally Posted by sexobon

The definitions can be a slippery slope.

True, but kinda beside the (my) point.

Originally Posted by Luce

Given the two groups I mentioned, I don't believe in giving them a warning.

Do you think one is warranted? Both of those groups are pretty odious, and a direct existential danger to everyone around them.

Originally Posted by henry quirk

As for my point: don't lay hands on the other guy till he lays hands on you, no matter how odious his thinkin' is.

[Luce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

True, but kinda beside the (my) point.

Okay, I see your point. I just don't agree.

[henry quirk]

Okay, I see your point. I just don't agree.

Really? It's perfectly acceptable to whack the hell outta somebody for 'thought crime'?

[Luce]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Really? It's perfectly acceptable to whack the hell outta somebody for 'thought crime'?

Last time we waited for Nazis to behave, they burned Europe down.

And ISIS kinda speaks for itself. Their idea of behaving is to kill a person prior to cutting their head off with a pocket knife.

[Undertoad]

You make an excellent and convincing case for more foreign wars.

[Luce]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

You make an excellent and convincing case for more foreign wars.

Now all I need is for everyone to agree with me, elect me president, and hand me a friendly congress.