Bob Woodruff's recovery images

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Well it must be your opinion that this is all Bush's fault. That is a simplistic view at the minimum. The problems have gone back a long way.

Problems start when one makes wild assumptions. I never said that. In this and previous posts, you have assumed. Don't for one minute make a single emotional assumption of who I am and post replies according to your emotions. Emotions are irrelevant (... and resistance is futile... sorry wrong discussion group). Notice, each post is bluntly addressing only one thing - facts.

If your assumptions arrive without supporting facts - the necessary and required 'whys' - then challenges will be blunt. For example, why do you assume I post opinions? Why do you assume I have an opinion (instead of conclusions) on this subject that blames George Jr (an assumption which can be justified in general; but not in this unique topic)? Why do you post and not provide any supporting facts for your post?

Multiple damning questions, Mercenary. And that is the common factor in my each post. You have assumed; therefore posted contempt for American soldiers in Walter Reed. To not know after almost one month and then deny events in Walter Reed meets a definition for contempt. How does one justify being so badly misinformed? You automatically assumed those reports were somehow false. How could you after all this time have not heard about the administration’s contempt for the American soldier? Contempt or were you stuck all this time in someplace like Antarctica? (In a quick sampling of a few 20 and young 30 year olds, a majority also did not know.)

Bottom line point again. You have assumed. Facts as provided point an suspicious finger at top management - Rumsfeld. (and its not my ring finger). Notice how the Army is being blamed for what happened at Walter Reed just as CIA was blamed for perverted intelligence on Saddam's WMDs. There is no smoking gun evidence pointing at George Jr. But there is substancial evidence pointing directly at Rumsfeld - including history of same micromanagement (even blaming enlisted men for the dog collars) during Abu Ghriad. Let's not forget all that Iraqi looting that 'did not happen'. Does it sound like soldiers in Walter Reed were not happening even after his own wife saw it? Damning facts that point directly at top management with a history of outrightly denying reality for a political agenda. That is contempt for the American soldier.

Let's not forget the long list of American generals who ended up on the White House 'person non-grata' list only because they stood up for US Army, well proven military doctrine, and American interests rather then the politically inspired administration decrees. Is Walter Reed just another isolated incident? How many times must this administration demonstrate so much contempt for the military and the American people before one says, "Wait a minute. I've been robbed."

Nowhere (this time) did I cite George Jr as the problem. He may be. But you have made assumptions rather than carefully read what was posted. Rumsfeld was even stated by name. So why then did Mercenary jump to conclusions - misrepresent what I posted? Why did Mercenary post what cannot be justified by the facts? Without supporting facts, why this assumption?

Well it must be your opinion that this is all Bush's fault.

{Could someone pass the popcorn}

[xoxoxoBruce]

By the time I finish reading that, the popcorn was long gone.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

By the time I finish reading that, the popcorn was long gone.

Me too.. sort of a waste.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

Problems start when one makes wild assumptions. I never said that. In this and previous posts, you have assumed. Don't for one minute make a single emotional assumption of who I am and post replies according to your emotions. Emotions are irrelevant (... and resistance is futile... sorry wrong discussion group). Notice, each post is bluntly addressing only one thing - facts.

If your assumptions arrive without supporting facts - the necessary and required 'whys' - then challenges will be blunt. For example, why do you assume I post opinions? Why do you assume I have an opinion (instead of conclusions) on this subject that blames George Jr (an assumption which can be justified in general; but not in this unique topic)? Why do you post and not provide any supporting facts for your post?

Multiple damning questions, Mercenary. And that is the common factor in my each post. You have assumed; therefore posted contempt for American soldiers in Walter Reed. To not know after almost one month and then deny events in Walter Reed meets a definition for contempt. How does one justify being so badly misinformed? You automatically assumed those reports were somehow false. How could you after all this time have not heard about the administration’s contempt for the American soldier? Contempt or were you stuck all this time in someplace like Antarctica? (In a quick sampling of a few 20 and young 30 year olds, a majority also did not know.)

Bottom line point again. You have assumed. Facts as provided point an suspicious finger at top management - Rumsfeld. (and its not my ring finger). Notice how the Army is being blamed for what happened at Walter Reed just as CIA was blamed for perverted intelligence on Saddam's WMDs. There is no smoking gun evidence pointing at George Jr. But there is substancial evidence pointing directly at Rumsfeld - including history of same micromanagement (even blaming enlisted men for the dog collars) during Abu Ghriad. Let's not forget all that Iraqi looting that 'did not happen'. Does it sound like soldiers in Walter Reed were not happening even after his own wife saw it? Damning facts that point directly at top management with a history of outrightly denying reality for a political agenda. That is contempt for the American soldier.

Let's not forget the long list of American generals who ended up on the White House 'person non-grata' list only because they stood up for US Army, well proven military doctrine, and American interests rather then the politically inspired administration decrees. Is Walter Reed just another isolated incident? How many times must this administration demonstrate so much contempt for the military and the American people before one says, "Wait a minute. I've been robbed."

Nowhere (this time) did I cite George Jr as the problem. He may be. But you have made assumptions rather than carefully read what was posted. Rumsfeld was even stated by name. So why then did Mercenary jump to conclusions - misrepresent what I posted? Why did Mercenary post what cannot be justified by the facts? Without supporting facts, why this assumption? {Could someone pass the popcorn}

My friend, you are the one jumping to conclusions and drawing out ass-u-mptions based on more left-wing talking points. I do believe that many fingers point at Cheney, Rove, Rumsfield, etc. The problem is that Bush is the target and the targe is misplaced. Bush is a figurehead.

"You have assumed; therefore posted contempt for American soldiers in Walter Reed." - How can I have contempt for something that I am??? Please explain that to me. My wife and I worked in that hospital for three years. One example that makes the press does not make a pattern of abuse. Everyone is hanging their hat on only one report. It has not been substantiated, well of course unless it serves your needs to bash the current administration and your political views.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Griff

I just finished TBI Hell by Geo Gosling. It tells the tale of his traumatic brain injury.
I don't know how many TBI's are coming home but I know the VA isn't up to it.

I just recently finished this as well as a few others on the subject.
I really need another subject. This one is too depressing
The care that people like Gabby Giffords and Bob Woodruff got is, BY FAR, the exception to the rule.
On top of that, its all on the short list of first thing to get cut.
Yep, Lets pick on the old and the disabled first.

[ZenGum]

I posted in the graphs and charts thread before visiting this one. Basing my views only on the experiences of cellar veterans, it seems the VA is woefully underfunded and/or mismanaged.

Veterans deserve better.