"She", not "he", guys

[henry quirk]

"...because it is not worth it to you does not make them wrong"

If you actually read both of those folks' most recent posts in this thread you'll find neither actually says anything. That's why neither is worth responding to (in this thread).

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"Your definitions lose potency the farther you extend them from yourself."

I see: so this applies to Ibram as well, yes?

If not: why?

Keep in mind: over and over and over I've said I don't care how Ibram self-defines, I simply refuse to participate in that self-definition by calling him 'her'.

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"...greater, dare I say, more intimate knowledge of what they're talking about."

What 'greater' knowledge?

He feels like she...fine by me...not disputing the depth or veracity of his feelings...am disputing that he actually 'is' she.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"...because it is not worth it to you does not make them wrong"

If you actually read both of those folks' most recent posts in this thread you'll find neither actually says anything. That's why neither is worth responding to (in this thread).

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"Your definitions lose potency the farther you extend them from yourself."

I see: so this applies to Ibram as well, yes?

If not: why?

Keep in mind: over and over and over I've said I don't care how Ibram self-defines, I simply refuse to participate in that self-definition by calling him 'her'.

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"...greater, dare I say, more intimate knowledge of what they're talking about."

What 'greater' knowledge?

He feels like she...fine by me...not disputing the depth or veracity of his feelings...am disputing that he actually 'is' she.

I did read them. They do actually say things. Your implication that I hadn't read them makes your argument baseless. Addtionally, I agree with each of them. I agree with Ali's assessment of bullshit, and I think John's on target by asserting that you're messed up in the head as evidenced by his quote of yours. It is conceivable that you haven't read their posts. *shrug*


As for self definition. Sure. Sure it applies to Ibram as well. And if s/he defines as "she", she knows better than you. That greater knowledge is a more reliable source than what I can detect from here. YOU may have greater knowledge about Ibram's gender than I do, perhaps even equal to Ibram's... I doubt it, but if you do, I'd appreciate you sharing your greater ... credentials so I can adjust my understanding accordingly. If you don't, tha's ok, but I'll keep deferring to Ibram on this score until then.

The greater knowledge I spoke of is that Ibram knows Ibram better than you know Ibram. I doubt you dispute this.

[henry quirk]

"I agree with Ali's assessment of bullshit"

As you like. Again: she says nothing (*of value).

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"I think John's on target"

See above.

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"The greater knowledge I spoke of is that Ibram knows Ibram better than you know Ibram."

Yes, agreed...and -- AGAIN -- he can and should self-define as 'she' if that's what he likes. But: I'm obligated to 'what' exactly because of his self-definition?

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"Hermaphrodites are both he and she. Are they just nothing then?"

Biologically disordered folks who can self-define as each cares to.

Mostly just folks who are different in some fashion. The difference obligates me 'what'?

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"...once we are born, our genes are set and clearly defined as a simple XX or XY."

In the baseline that's it exactly. Divergence from the baseline is just that, 'divergence', not a re-defining of the baseline.

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"*..."gender", your main subject..."

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"But you seem to want to have a definitive ... scientific, absolute certainty about the situation."

I have certainty: Ibram is 'he', not 'she'.

His 'feeling' and self-definition (of she-ness, as she) is another matter irrelevant to the thread (despite great effort to conflate the two) except as it motivates him to claim he is 'she'.

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"What, exactly, do you know about Ibram's penis? What are your sources.

In this forum: he announces his transgender status, moving, in his estimation, from 'he' to 'she'.

Typically: men have cocks.

Also: Ibram has never disputed any mention of his cock.

While not absolute proof of anything, the evidence is strong that Ibram has a cock.

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I just don't see your evidence supporting your claim that "penis equals he".

Define: 'he' (as it pertains to a human individual).

Define: 'she' (as it pertains to a human individual).

Do this and you’ll have your evidence.









*if I'm guilty of anything in this thread (its later part), it is -- in haste -- not being as precise as I'd normally would be.

In the case of John and Ali: certainly both posted 'something'...what was posted, in my view, has real no value in moving the debate forward...she asserts 'bullshit"; he says I'm messed up in the head...not of value, in my view.

In the case of gender: I allowed folks to muddy the water by conflating 'gender' with my opening.

In the above areas, the confusion is my fault...apologies.

[Stormieweather]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Yes, agreed...and -- AGAIN -- he can and should self-define as 'she' if that's what he likes. But: I'm obligated to 'what' exactly because of his self-definition?

You aren't obligated to...anything.

You choose to define gender (or Ibram's gender, specifically) however you wish and label accordingly.

You choose not to honor her request to use the female pronoun and that's entirely up to you.

No skin off my nose any more so than calling Ibram or another gender self-defined individual the pronoun of their choice. You may offend her, but again, that is your choice to do so.