Watching the Democrats - it's Fun and Macabre!

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Originally Posted by Adak

1) Cut the spending. I don't mean as a percent above the current spending (which they are calling now "the baseline"). I'm talking about cutting ACTUAL current spending.

Your definition of "actual current spending" makes no broader political sense (as has already been pointed out to you IN THIS THREAD) and so i shall ignore it.

Originally Posted by Adak

2) Obama care

The left wanted single payer. Then they wanted exchanges. Then they got a plan that the Heritage Foundation invented. Oops. They ended up where the right was ten years ago, and the right moved right! yum yum, taste that compromise.
(you can't say that because one side wanted "something" and the other wanted "nothing", and "something" happened, that side one didn't compromise at all!)

Originally Posted by Adak

3) military strength (we now have less than half the number of ships we had in the peak 1980's), for one example.

Remind me who we're at war with? Russia? no, wait, China? No, uh, NK? well, yes, technically, but not a shooting war anymore, and its not like we need a Cold War fleet to deal with them. The left would cut things further, and ends up compromising with republican hawks to keep it inflated.

Originally Posted by Adak

4) Gun ownership and/or right to carry.

Obama has done absolutely nothing to change the guns laws from when he was elected into office, except to allow concealed carry in federally-maintained parks. OH GOSH LOOK AT THAT GUNHATER!

Originally Posted by Adak

5) Federal tax code littered with exclusions, exemptions, and both intentional and unintentional loopholes.

The left would be happy to close all the loopholes, if it meant we could lower taxes on the middle class/poor to make up for taking THEIR deductions away! it's the right's dogmatic insistence that CORPORATE and WEALTHY loopholes and deductions stay, or that the WEALTHY deserve to pay less, that is stopping comprehensive reform. The left has been compromising for years! (see, continuing the bush cuts for the wealthy, even though they didn't want to and bernie sanders filibustered it, to save the tax cuts for the poor and the middle-class)

Originally Posted by Adak

6) Trade treaties that force our businesses to go overseas to use cheap, almost slave labor, in order to stay competitive.

You and I are at a fundamental disagreement about what level of corporate regulation is GOOD for business. I would slam any company who wanted to sell goods or services in the US with HUGE fines if they use exploitative labor tactics, which would then encourage economic growth here at home, as companies who kept jobs here would be no more profitable than ones who use cheap labor. That's a fairly common left-wing idea. It's the right who isn't letting regulatory tightening, and is in fact still asking for less regulation. The right is generally further from the status quo than the left when it comes to how much regulation is necessary.

Originally Posted by Adak

7) Paying Egypt 400 Million dollars per year in "Foreign Aid", for bribe money. Lots of other countries get this kind of aid, as well.

What should replace money in our diplomacy? That 1980s Cold-War navy you want? no thanks.

Originally Posted by Adak

8) Bring our sons and daughters home from most (not all), of these overseas military bases.

and, you know, uh, the WARS. that the right generally still doesn't want to give up on.

Wait, so, we should put more money into our military, strengthen it, but bring back most of the people out there being our military? That seems like a total contradiction to me. I want to see our military MORE active around the world, liaising with local militaries and having staging areas spread out across our allied nations, while spending less on a standing army at home. That, to me, seems to be the value of our military, in this day and age - diplomacy and cooperation with our friends, both close ones and more tenuous ones.


That was kinda fun. NEXT! bring 'em on.