Scouts get pwned

[glatt]

Originally Posted by BigV

I got the survey

Which one?

I got two. Lots of similar questions between the two, but one asked specifically about forcing a straight scout to sleep in a tent with a gay scout, and the other didn't.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Yeah, but then you get boys wearing dresses.



But seriously, folks, this video by Todd Bieber, Eagle Scout and film maker, is perspective from someone who's been there, done that.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by glatt

Which one?

I got two. Lots of similar questions between the two, but one asked specifically about forcing a straight scout to sleep in a tent with a gay scout, and the other didn't.

.... hard to say, but I'm sure I didn't get the one with that question. I would have remembered it.

My answer would have been to let the boys work it out for themselves. What a frightened, ignorant question in the first place. wtf. Who would force any kid to sleep in a tent with any other kid? "Force"? That's the operative word here. If the kid's in the troop, there's already plenty of social contact with other members of the troop. I can't imagine a situation where such "force" would be necessary. It's like that joke with the punchline "The doctor says you're gonna die." Such a situation won't ever come up ffs. What a loaded stupid question.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Replace force with assign.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Replace force with assign.

Ok.

Still doesn't work, isn't ... likely to happen in our troop. We have a boy-led troop. Now.

If the whole troop, all the boys are pathological homophobes, then what? We have to buddy up, right? Well, according to the Scout Law

A Scout is
trustworthy,
loyal,
helpful,
friendly,
courteous,
kind,
obedient,
cheerful,
thrifty,
brave,
clean, and
reverent.

I can't see how it would have to come to that. There's no surprise here, the scouts all interact with each other outside a tent, ... I don't see a situation where it would come to that.

As imaginary Scoutmaster, I'd speak to the SPL (Senior Patrol Leader), and possibly to the Patrol Leaders. Ask them what are the sleeping arrangements? Does everyone have a tentmate? For that matter, there have been situations where there have been individual scouts sleeping by themselves in a tent, single occupancy. I know I've sidestepped your question, but it's a stupid made up loaded question. If things have deteriorated to the point where I'm "forcing a straight scout to sleep with a gay scout"... things got off the rails a ways back.

Or. I'm just an asshole leader bent on making trouble.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Still doesn't work, isn't ... likely to happen in our troop. We have a boy-led troop. Now.

People making statements of what is right and wrong for the BSA, for the USA, and everyone in both, are proclaiming their position on what life and society should be. Fine, that's cool, sometimes it starts dialogs.

You did the same, then got down to where the rubber meets the road with glatt's questions, and drew on your experience in your local area troop when discussing implementation. That's what most people do, because if you discuss hypothetical situations, a shitload of them (majority?) will never happen in a million years.

I think you'll agree, if you take the position of what would happen in your troop, then you sort of have to accept someone else's position on what would happen in their troop in another state/region. So glatt's specific examples will get different responses from different areas.

That's why rules, like laws, can be too specific. First, to cover everything, there wouldn't be enough paper to write them down. Second, it will invariably create unintended consequences.

So now I've come full circle and say the BSA rules/code, have to reflect the general attitude, the spirit of the BSA. But that comes with the realization there are some big divides in this country. Everything you are fer, there's someone agin, and vise versa.

Maybe there can't be a national BSA, maybe if it was broken up by states, each state could come to consensus on rules. Nah, even at that level, most states have a philosophical spread. Maybe the BSA should be dissolved and put them all in the army? Nah, the Navy fathers would have a fit, and the Marines would start a damn war.

So I guess the BSA can't be fixed until society is fixed... may take awhile.