Shooting at Virginia Tech - Page 11

Spexxvet · 04-20-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Ha, ha, ha.

Damm tootin. There is not enough money out there to fix the problems with the mental health system in the US.

So, in order for you to put money in your own pocket, you're willing to sacrifice more people to this kind of mental-illness-spawned killing spree? It WILL happen again, and at a new record level.

wolf · 04-19-2007, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Aside from my well-known opinions on guns, this guy should never had been able to get a gun.

Given my well-known opinion on guns, this guy should never have been able to get a gun.

The information on the Cho's 2005 hospitalization is that it was involuntary.

He was not a U.S. Citizen. I went looking for the 4473 online, and the BATFE has taken it off their website, so I can't see the wording on it. I know that it asks your citizenship status, and I thought that 'no' resulted in a denial.

Please, everybody stop trying to regard this guy as normal, a geek, a nerd, whatever ... none of those things bear any relation to the kind of serious mental illness that's a play here. You will not succeed in making any kind of sense out of what he says and does.

TheMercenary · 04-19-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Given my well-known opinion on guns, this guy should never have been able to get a gun.

The information on the Cho's 2005 hospitalization is that it was involuntary.

He was not a U.S. Citizen. I went looking for the 4473 online, and the BATFE has taken it off their website, so I can't see the wording on it. I know that it asks your citizenship status, and I thought that 'no' resulted in a denial.

Please, everybody stop trying to regard this guy as normal, a geek, a nerd, whatever ... none of those things bear any relation to the kind of serious mental illness that's a play here. You will not succeed in making any kind of sense out of what he says and does.

Well said, and more importantly the TV needs to stop giving his picture, video, and manifesto so much air time. The time should be given to those who died.

elSicomoro · 04-19-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Please, everybody stop trying to regard this guy as normal, a geek, a nerd, whatever ... none of those things bear any relation to the kind of serious mental illness that's a play here. You will not succeed in making any kind of sense out of what he says and does.

I'm not sure what exactly you're saying here, Wolf. If he was schizophrenic, it certainly could have been a result of environmental and/or psychosocial factors.

elSicomoro · 04-19-2007, 08:24 AM

After watching some of the videos, I think I might understand why he finally snapped...because he's a fucking tool, and everyone that knew him probably felt the same way.

Spexxvet · 04-19-2007, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sycamore

... I think I might understand why he finally snapped....

That's scary. Need some counselling, Syc?

Shawnee123 · 04-19-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sycamore

After watching some of the videos, I think I might understand why he finally snapped...because he's a fucking tool, and everyone that knew him probably felt the same way.

Has anyone seen my liberalism? I know I must have left it somewhere. I TOTALLY agree with your statement, Sycamore. Ill? Yes he was. An angry fuck that no one would want to be around? Yes he was.

elSicomoro · 04-19-2007, 08:48 AM

Perhaps.

Seriously, though...when I watched those videos, I was like, "Wow...what a fucking nerd." And I suspect that that's how many people viewed him. No wonder he just finally lost his mind. He was fine on the surface, but raging underneath...and he decided to finally let loose Monday. The two Columbine shooters came across the same way to me.

Kitsune · 04-19-2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sycamore

Perhaps.

Seriously, though...when I watched those videos, I was like, "Wow...what a fucking nerd."

Have any links to the videos? I heard they aired on television but haven't caught them floating around the net, yet.

elSicomoro · 04-19-2007, 08:56 AM

Scroll down to the video section on MSNBC.com...make sure you're using IE or FireFox.

Kitsune · 04-19-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sycamore

Scroll down to the video section on MSNBC.com...make sure you're using IE or FireFox.

They wouldn't play for me off MSNBC. I watched these two videos at LiveLeak: 1 2

Its just gibberish, random. Talk of Jesus and the wealthy, martyrs and torture (being set of fire?) I assume he never had to endure. The one thing that interests me the most is that as he reads out these aggressive and violent words to express his anger, his voice doesn't once change pitch. Completely flat tone, emotionless.

He was very mentally ill.

wolf · 04-19-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

They wouldn't play for me off MSNBC. I watched these two videos at LiveLeak: 1 2

Its just gibberish, random. Talk of Jesus and the wealthy, martyrs and torture (being set of fire?) I assume he never had to endure. The one thing that interests me the most is that as he reads out these aggressive and violent words to express his anger, his voice doesn't once change pitch. Completely flat tone, emotionless.

He was very mentally ill.

At work we call that "fucking nuts."

I was taught to identify schizophrenia by using The Four As. (it's a distillation of the work of Eugen Bleuler, a 19th century shrink).

Affect - flattened or inappropriate. (Cho is as flat as a pancake)
Associations - loose or strange ones, making odd, often nonsensical linkages between things
Autism - inability to relate socially to others in one's environment, living in your own enclosed perception of the world.
Ambivalence - the ability to hold two concepts in complete logical opposition to each other in your head, and not see the conflict

four for four.

They don't teach identifying schizophrenia this way anymore.

elSicomoro · 04-19-2007, 09:15 AM

When I was in high school, there was this guy that nobody liked...and people tortured the shit out of him. At one point, he said he had a list of people to kill...apparently, I was in the top 10 at one point. My friends and I would joke around that he'd exact his revenge at graduation. He didn't...and I just saw him a couple of weeks ago working at a BP gas station.

We all thought it was funny in 1994...in 2007, the guy probably would have been expelled...and maybe followed through on his threats.

freshnesschronic · 04-19-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sycamore

When I was in high school, there was this guy that nobody liked...and people tortured the shit out of him. At one point, he said he had a list of people to kill...apparently, I was in the top 10 at one point. My friends and I would joke around that he'd exact his revenge at graduation. He didn't...and I just saw him a couple of weeks ago working at a BP gas station.

We all thought it was funny in 1994...in 2007, the guy probably would have been expelled...and maybe followed through on his threats.

Yeah my grade school days I can remember at least 3 times where kids were caught with "hit lists".

elSicomoro · 04-19-2007, 10:48 AM

From the BBC: Police probing the deadly shootings at Virginia Tech University have criticised the decision of US network NBC to show footage of the killer.

My thoughts on this:

1) "If it bleeds, it leads"...that's journalism in today's society. Did the police really expect NBC to sit on it?

2) I think the public should see at least some of Cho's video. It gives us a glimpse into who this guy really was.

At the same time, I think we've officially hit the saturation point with coverage of this. I'm going to quit reading and watching the news for the rest of the day, I think.

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04-19-2007, 08:24 AM	#5
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	After watching some of the videos, I think I might understand why he finally snapped...because he's a fucking tool, and everyone that knew him probably felt the same way.

04-19-2007, 08:48 AM	#8
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Perhaps. Seriously, though...when I watched those videos, I was like, "Wow...what a fucking nerd." And I suspect that that's how many people viewed him. No wonder he just finally lost his mind. He was fine on the surface, but raging underneath...and he decided to finally let loose Monday. The two Columbine shooters came across the same way to me.

04-19-2007, 08:56 AM	#10
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Scroll down to the video section on MSNBC.com...make sure you're using IE or FireFox.

04-19-2007, 09:15 AM	#13
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	When I was in high school, there was this guy that nobody liked...and people tortured the shit out of him. At one point, he said he had a list of people to kill...apparently, I was in the top 10 at one point. My friends and I would joke around that he'd exact his revenge at graduation. He didn't...and I just saw him a couple of weeks ago working at a BP gas station. We all thought it was funny in 1994...in 2007, the guy probably would have been expelled...and maybe followed through on his threats.

04-19-2007, 10:48 AM	#15
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	From the BBC: Police probing the deadly shootings at Virginia Tech University have criticised the decision of US network NBC to show footage of the killer. My thoughts on this: 1) "If it bleeds, it leads"...that's journalism in today's society. Did the police really expect NBC to sit on it? 2) I think the public should see at least some of Cho's video. It gives us a glimpse into who this guy really was. At the same time, I think we've officially hit the saturation point with coverage of this. I'm going to quit reading and watching the news for the rest of the day, I think.

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