teacher boffing student agian

[6sickchix]

OC: If I could guarentee for a fact that my 5th grade would spend the rest of his life happy and in love and emotionally well, then sure, go at it.

Of course, there's no way to guarentee it. There is no possible way to guarentee anything.

People used to get married at 12-14 all the time. *gasp* everyone must have been a monster back then. I'm so glad we're aware of it now.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by 6sickchix

People used to get married at 12-14 all the time...

Not of their own free will. Many if not most of those were "arranged" marriages where the female of the couple was assigned a husband. Today, men ask dads for their daughter's hand in marriage as a courtesy (if at all). Back then, the dad actually made the decision. You don't really think that those marriages were actual 'boy meets girl and asks her for her hand and then daddy throws them a big wedding' did you???

Those 12-year old girl getting married things were often social relationships between families and not simply 'husband-and-wife' things.

Why its wrong is self evident: a child cannot be assumed to have the faculty to adequately deploy reason over emotion in personal or business relationships requiring either a commitment, an understanding of the risk/reward or the consequences arising from the relationship/agreement. Neither can the child/young adult be expected to assume full responsibility for the consequences of the relationship or commitment. Enough minors have been taken to the cleaners such that a law banning the practice was finally enacted.

Did you even consider the consequences if he had gotten her pregnant. I think its well within the purview of the law to forbid relationships where one of the parties is clearly not able to support a child emotionally or financially.

Repeal the law, watch the atrocites mount and then you shall have the answer to your question.

[dar512]

All right. One more case doesn't make an epidemic, but holy cow. Don't these people read the news?

This one gets high stupidity marks for having her two year old in the back seat while doing it in the front.

Teacher Has Sex with Pupil While Baby in Car

[SteveDallas]

Originally Posted by Beestie

I think its well within the purview of the law to forbid relationships where one of the parties is clearly not able to support a child emotionally or financially.

You're talking about things which have little or any relevancy to age. How would you write such a law? How would you enforce it?

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by SteveDallas

You're talking about things which have little or any relevancy to age. How would you write such a law? How would you enforce it?

The laws are already written - every state has one - an age minimum for marriage. I was basically providing some rationale for the existing laws not proposing anything new. Sounds like I didn't make my point very well.

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by 6sickchix

OC: If I could guarentee for a fact that my 5th grade would spend the rest of his life happy and in love and emotionally well, then sure, go at it.

But you can't. No one can. The child in question's parents can't, either. Out of all the marriages that end in divorce, (2 out of 3 I think the latest statistic is running), do you really think they'll make it? You're willing to gamble a 5th grader's life on it?

Of course, there's no way to guarentee it. There is no possible way to guarentee anything.

Exactly my point! You said, "if I could guarentee for a fact my 5th grader ..... then sure, go at it" but you can't. So is it no longer "sure go at it"?

People used to get married at 12-14 all the time. *gasp* everyone must have been a monster back then. I'm so glad we're aware of it now.

People used to get their daughters pregnant all the time back then, too. Just because something was "back then" doesn't make it ok.

[SteveDallas]

All I'm saying is there are plenty of people over the age of 18 who aren't able to support a child, financially or emotionally. What's the law supposed to do about them?

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by SteveDallas

All I'm saying is there are plenty of people over the age of 18 who aren't able to support a child, financially or emotionally. What's the law supposed to do about them?

Nothing. Unless abuse is involved. And I don't have that big a problem with financial deprivation. Poverty doesn't kill people in America (generally speaking) - heck, some of us were poor growing up. Emotional deprivation, however, ruins lives and is difficult to repair even in adults. But, that is not an area for legislative intervention until and unless it results in abuse.

[Beestie]

Five students.

Teacher in West Virginia accused of sex abuse.

Yikes!

[xoxoxoBruce]

Now that IS abuse.

[OnyxCougar]

Did we hear about this one here yet?

Teacher busted on sex charges

Blonde beauty faces 13 counts of statutory rape with teen

By Jake Easton
R A D O K N E W S
Posted: February 8, 2005 3:12pm EST
Updated: February 24, 2005 12:04pm EST

MCMINNVILLE, Tenn. - Authorities have arrested a female teacher from a Warren County, Tennessee school, charging her with having an ongoing sexual relationship with a 13-year-old boy. Pamela Rogers Turner was charged this week with 15 counts of sexual battery by an authority figure and 13 counts of statutory rape.

The 27-year-old Turner is a graduate of Tennessee Tech University with a degree in education. Bobby Cox, director of instruction for Warren County schools, said Turner had been a teacher in the Warren County system for about 1½ years. She taught physical education and worked with all grades at the K-8 grade school in McMinnville.

Prosecutor Dale Potter says some of incidents were alleged to have taken place at the school - others at the student's home. Potter says his office intends to prosecute the case to the fullest extent possible because it involves a child.

Turner is currently free on $50,000 bond, and has been placed on leave by the school system, with an arraignment set for Feb. 23.

Pamela's father, Lamar Rogers, has been the girls basketball coach at Clarkrange High School for 29 years, winning his first state champsionship in 1983, and coached his daughter Pamela's team to the state title in 1995.

Pamela Joan Rogers married Christopher Turner on July 26, 2003. Turner is currently in the process of a divorce from her husband, who is head coach for the Warren County High School boys varsity basketball team in McMinnville.

Conviction on all counts could be punished by up to 100 years in prison, although it is unlikely given her gender. At her court hearing on February 23, Pamela Rogers Turner's lawyer entered a plea of Not Guilty, unlike another teacher with similar troubles - Debra Lafave, who is expected to use an insanity defense.

A judge in McMinnville, Tennessee has set a November 15th trial date for Turner.

IMPORTANT: All the recent media stories on various charges and indictments of teachers are just that, charges - not convictions. It is important to keep an open mind and learn the facts of the case(s) in a court of law before coming to any conclusions of guilt. It would not be the first time overly-zealous prosecutors were wrong.

[dar512]

OK. I was wrong. It is an epidemic.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by dar512

OK. I was wrong. It is an epidemic.

Epidemic?
TEACHERS:
TOTAL PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS: 2,997,748
Elementary: 1,686,336
Secondary: 1,078,501
Unclassified: 232,911

TOTAL CHARTER SCHOOL TEACHERS: 36,019

TOTAL PRIVATE SCHOOL TEACHERS: 395,317
Elementary: 187,833
Secondary: 62,737
Combined: 144,746

TOTAL CATHOLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS: 149,600
Elementary: 100,565
Secondary: 41,301
Combined: 7,734

Hardly.

[dar512]

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Too much information.

Besides, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. It just seems like we're seeing a lot of these lately.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by dar512

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Too much information.

Besides, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. It just seems like we're seeing a lot of these lately.

Nothing personal, just a reminder of how many teachers are out there.
I think we have one of those situations where a news story pops up and makes headlines, then any similar story creates a media frenzy until something else comes into vogue.
Although, I guess any woman bites boy or teacher bites boy story will be widely circulated.

Man....how I wish Mrs Sornborger was that kind.
Maybe she was...but not with me.