Do You Own a Gun?

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Christopher Scum

No, We will have to have hand guns. They are light wiegh and indetectable. The main reason not to throw down your guns is
the right to protect ourselves agaist our own fucked up leadership. It's happened throught History Time and Time again. It's due to happen here!

This is the first time in history where the weapon difference between the people and the leadership is so large, it is almost scary. A handgun would do nothing against a tank or anyone with body armor. Remember the LA (?) shooting where those two guys with AKs held off all those police officers for an insane amount of time. And what did the LA police do about it? They gave the police officers more powerful weapons.

To get to my point, handguns won't do shit against an opposing/our own army. And let’s be serious here for a second, if we do become a police/1984 state, who would seriously fight against it? I can't see many people actually doing anything about it and the few people that do fight would be dead very quickly.

Once the government tries to revoke the right to own a handgun, or any other gun, there will be a revolution. Habeas corpus & the Anti-Patriot Acts was far more than a hint.
Many will NOT give up their handguns and will then know that the government has the full intention of making the US a complete police state.
At that point it will be the duty of the citizens of this nations to take their country back and instate a Constitutional government.
Any officers that choose to capitulate with such an order are enemies to the people of the US and should be treated as such. No different than any other occupying force.
Read Jackson.

(explosives and surgical guerrilla sniping would be the most effective)

[Urbane Guerrilla]

The problem with the kind of strict gun control you find on college campuses is that it creates a hunting preserve for any crazy willing to defy the gun control.

Creating hunting preserves for crazies is just perverse -- and any advocation of it merits the most brutal and comprehensive of personal attacks and pointed questions as to the advocate's sanity, because what he's doing is asking that things be made easier for the bad guy. Anyone caught doing that should just do the mature thing and take his correction with good grace; he has, after all, stepped beyond the pale.

It has come to my attention that Utah, the one state in the union that does not prohibit keeping one's own guns on-campus, is also a state that's not had school shootings or near-shooting scrapes, not on college campuses anyway.

One article about it.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

The problem with the kind of strict gun control you find on college campuses is that it creates a hunting preserve for any crazy willing to defy the gun control.

Creating hunting preserves for crazies is just perverse -- and any advocation of it merits the most brutal and comprehensive of personal attacks and pointed questions as to the advocate's sanity, because what he's doing is asking that things be made easier for the bad guy. Anyone caught doing that should just do the mature thing and take his correction with good grace; he has, after all, stepped beyond the pale.

It has come to my attention that Utah, the one state in the union that does not prohibit keeping one's own guns on-campus, is also a state that's not had school shootings or near-shooting scrapes, not on college campuses anyway.

One article about it.

BWAAK! BWAAK! BWAAK! BWAAAAAK!

Hey, Chicken Little! Shut the f*ck up, ok? You're scaring the children, and pissing off the adults. "Hunting preserves for the crazies"?!?! Do you listen to yourself? Ever? You should stick that load of crap back up your ass so far you choke. *Everyone* would be better off. Including you.

Tens of thousands of campuses in this nation. All "hunting preserves for crazies", eh? Ah, no. The answer is no. Let's change "all" to "any"; are any of these campuses "hunting preserves for crazy people"? Still no, you loudmouth dumbass. You're spreading FUD, fear uncertainty and doubt. Fearmongering. Your logical constructions are gossamer smokescreens that obscure only your blind eyes.

Even Virginia Tech, where we have all witnessed this horrific mass murder does not rise the level of your hysterical raving hyperbole. It's a college campus. A school. People are getting shot All. The. Time. And in places that *do* allow guns, which leads you to what conclusion? Everywhere is a hunting preserve? BWAAK!

You weary me and sadden me. You should know better. You're an adult (putatively), who has apparently wasted the experiences of a lifetime to be able to know better. To think better, as you sometimes (rarely) demonstrate. It is posts like these that are most common, however. It is posts like these that reveal you to be such a comic figure. Edith Wharton nailed it: "You are intemperate, aggressive, disputatious, and extremely sensitive to adverse opinion", especially regarding gun control, Democrats, and those *stupid* people who oppose your point of view.

Especially the "stupidity" of others. We are not all stupid, UG, and, brace yourself, you are not all that smart.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Tw's post is based on not understanding one simple problem: the degree of your enthusiasm for gun control, an essential precondition for acts of genocide, becomes a good indicator of your corresponding enthusiasm for genocide in general. That this genocide may be directed against people like oneself does not occur to the gun control lovers, which calls into question what they know about how genocides start.

No solid, nor even empirical, rebuttal has ever been made to the findings of the JPFO that there is a preconditional triad to make a genocide either likely or even possible: hatred, however based; governmental power, so states and governments are no remedy nor prophylaxis for genocides; and some means of disarming the out-group being targeted -- the most efficient means ever devised is to forbid the keeping of arms except by those 'approved.'

A gun ban ("gun controls" are always about banning possession of and denying access to guns) can lie in wait for decades before facilitating the dirty work. The gun ban that set up the killing fields in Cambodia had its earliest beginnings on January 27, 1920, and was added to in a significant manner with an ordinance dated March 28, 1938. Four decades from the temperate language of a statute to the pyramids of skulls.

The text of these laws is in French, which I read. The translation provided on the facing pages opposite the original texts presented in Lethal Laws is honest.

[piercehawkeye45]

Unbanning guns on campus will just make it worse. I do not trust many of the people on my campus, especially when drunk, and it will just create problems.

Banning guns on campus does not mean that someone will shoot up the campus, that is just stupid.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Unbanning guns on campus will just make it worse. I do not trust many of the people on my campus, especially when drunk, and it will just create problems.

Banning guns on campus does not mean that someone will shoot up the campus, that is just stupid.

Pierce, you have a little problem with truth -- especially when you hear it from me, child.

I'd say transferring to a college in Utah would acquaint you personally with the truth of the matter.

FFA funding party today on the ranch. Many guns raffled off. I almost won an awesome stainless rifle. Couple of young men won some great shotguns.
I lost count of the total.

[busterb]

Aw Shucks post number 300, if I hurry. Did anyone read the start of this shit. Do you own a gun. Not how you would like gun laws to be. Just yes or no.

[Kingswood]

Most gun owners are responsible people. They keep their weapons locked away when not in use, take care to make sure they are not loaded when put away, that sort of thing. I do not have issues with such people. They may have a gun to shoot vermin, or to put down a sick animal on the farm, or they may use them to hunt game, or they may like shooting at targets on a shooting range on weekends, or they may just feel safer with a gun nearby. Whatever their reasons, I respect them if they are responsible people.

The problem is, not all gun owners are as careful as they should be.

The careless ones are the ones that make like harder for legitimate gun owners. They are the ones that leave loaded guns lying around, or don't lock their guns away when not in use, and otherwise do not treat their firearms with the respect that they deserve.

All too often such carelessness leads to trouble. Children may find the guns and start playing with them. It's not uncommon for such carelessness to lead to tragedy.

When she was very little, someone I know had the experience of having a loaded gun pointed at her by her brother, who found a rifle in the house that had not been secured properly. She remembers this very clearly, as does her brother. After turning the gun on her, the brother turned the gun on another brother. And then pulled the trigger.

Blam.

Their brother died that day.

I don't know how common such events are in the USA. But if the figure I heard of 30,000 deaths by firearms per year in the USA is accurate, I would not be surprised if some of these deaths occured in similar circumstances.

I don't know what the laws are in the USA in relation to deaths caused by unsecured firearms. I feel that people who do not secure their firearms properly should be responsible for them. If one leaves a firearm lying around unsecured and it causes the death of a child, is it possible for that act of negligence to lead to jail time in the USA?

[xoxoxoBruce]

It often does.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by Kingswood

The problem is, not all gun owners are as careful as they should be.

Very true...that's why I can't agree with the argument that gun ownership makes everyone safer, including non-owners.

When I was 7 years old, the gun owner who lived in the apartment above us wasn't what I'd call careful--he kept his gun in his unlocked nightstand drawer. I know this because one day, two of his kids, not much older than me, decided it would be fun to sneak into dad's room and show the gun to me. Thank god it wasn't pointed at anyone or the trigger pulled.

[xoxoxoBruce]

So your neighbor was an idiot is reason to tell 300,000,000 people they shouldn't have guns and only the other few million that are criminals will have them?

[bluecuracao]

I've never said that I'm in favor of banning guns. In fact, I've said that I'm fine with people owning guns, as long as they are responsible.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So your neighbor was an idiot is reason to tell 300,000,000 people they shouldn't have guns and only the other few million that are criminals will have them?

Only idiots would violate the rights of millions for the irresponsibility of a relative few.