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Old 06-05-2006, 01:21 PM   #1
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Support for this assertion, please?
When he claimed that the President has the inherent authority to waive even the minimal warrant requirements of the FISA courts?

No warrants == can bug anyone.

Warrants are supposed to be the check that ensures a legitimate basis for surveilance.
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Old 06-05-2006, 02:21 PM   #2
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No warrants == can bug anyone.
"Subject to FISA courts" != "anyone"

The F stands for "Foreign". This is the kind of "overreaching" stuff I'm talking about...intercepting overseas calls to foriegn nationals who are terrorism suspects is not "bugging anyone".
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Old 06-05-2006, 03:48 PM   #3
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"Subject to FISA courts" != "anyone"
As you well know, the George Jr administration considered FISA courts too restrictive - or was it that the courts could not be trusted with national secrets? George Jr's administration was bugging without FISA authorization - without any judicial review. When patriots blew the whistle on another Nixonian act, then George Jr took displeasure not with the illegal bugging. That would be too pro-American and too anti-neocon. George Jr took displeasure with what patriots did in defense of everyone in The Cellar.

There is no way you can defend the mental midget on this one. Doing so suggests you believe facts as selectively as a Rush Limbaugh disciple. George Jr wiretaps without judicial review, tortures people, kidnaps, denies prisioners their constitution rights, and does not even read his memos. And then he even lies about all this. How could anyone with decency for one minute defend such an anti-American?

Well you pretend he is not wiretapping without judical review. You ignore repeated references to the 904th. Anything to not call him what he really is. Logic says he is, at minimum, a mental midget.

But then as Katrina was attacking New Orleans, George Jr was off collecting campaign funds in CA. He could not even bother to respond to Brownie's desperate pleas for assistance. What’s a little wiretapping without judicial review among friends. All other Americans are only terrorists - or dumb enough to believe Rush Limbaugh.

What did Rush say about wiretapping once reality was leaked? Rush Limbaugh parroted the company line. We have no expectation of privacy. Everyone who is not a neo-con is the enemy? Apparently.
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Old 06-05-2006, 04:29 PM   #4
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You ignore repeated references to the 904th.
No, I'm just ignoring you.
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Old 06-05-2006, 04:32 PM   #5
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No, I'm just ignoring you.
IOW again you made statements you cannot defend. Maggie. You've got to think through things before posting. Otherwise some will take you seriously.

Meanwile I am truly curious how we differ on the purpose of government. I suspect it is less than some assume.
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Old 06-05-2006, 03:15 PM   #6
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No warrants == nobody to check that the target is foreign.
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