Flag-Burning Teacher: A Lesson In Free Speech - Page 2

08-31-2006, 11:13 AM

FYI, those small novelty "flags" are not actually US Flags. They are not subject to the same rules and one is not required to treat them with the same respect as a true flag.
Now, that is not to say that one should not treat one that is being used as a flag with respect, and as Scouts, when we had small flags, once they were placed on a tent or other property as a flag, we treated them as such. But, while in a box or just lying around as a toy... not a flag.

Flint · 08-31-2006, 12:05 PM

And when the "flag" is printed on a paper plate, for instance, that you will eat greasey pork n' beans off of at a 4th of July picnic, maybe snuff a few cigarette butts on, and then throw in a rotting garbage heap with bits of half-chewed hotdogs... that "flag" is treated with "respect" ??? Oh, but wait, the 4th of July is patriotic, so that's different. Whereas a teacher teaching our children about what the flag actually stands for (aside from the right to eat pork n' beans) is un-patriotic ??? ::: confused ::: Do we even remember what the flag means? The irony is mind-boggling...

Pangloss62 · 08-31-2006, 12:18 PM

I think he did a good thing, but I agree that the whole fire issue probably ruined it for him. They can use safety issues as an excuse to punish him for what they REALLY want to punish him for.

Oh, today I came up with a bad joke; really, I did. I saw one of those "My Child Was Student of The Month at" bumper stickers and I came up with this one:

My Child With ADD Was Student of
The Minute at Lakeview Elementary

Pangloss62 · 08-31-2006, 12:22 PM

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with bits of half-chewed hotdogs...

Firstly, I would NEVER not eat an entire hot dog, and secondly, one should always chew their food very well, not "half-chew" it.

My goodness, Flint. What kind of 4th of July picnics have you been going to where they don't finish and properly masticate their hot dogs?

Happy Monkey · 08-31-2006, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Basically, a flag that is destroyed for a purpose supporting that which it stands for is a flag honored, but that isn't the case here.

Yes it is.

Flint · 08-31-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pangloss62

They can use safety issues as an excuse to punish him for what they REALLY want to punish him for.

I agree, and furthermore I would be really interested in hearing exactly what it is that "they REALLY want to punish him for." . . .

dar512 · 08-31-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Don't they have film strips anymore?

Actually, they don't. Everything is VHS and DVDs. My kids school just dumped the last of their filmstrip projectors last year.

dar512 · 08-31-2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I agree, and furthermore I would be really interested in hearing exactly what it is that "they REALLY want to punish him for." . . .

Come on Flint. You know what they want to punish him for. You just want to hear them say it.

Flint · 08-31-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dar512

You know what they want to punish him for. You just want to hear them say it.

Not exactly... I would like to hear them articulate it, in order to determine if they even know.

9th Engineer · 08-31-2006, 02:28 PM

The kids arn't learning why flag burning is important or the issues that spark it, they're just being told they're allowed to do it. If anything it kinda dulls the meaning down...

Flint · 08-31-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

The kids arn't learning why flag burning is important or the issues that spark it, they're just being told they're allowed to do it.

Oh? I didn't know you were there... Kind of speculative, to say the least, on your part, hmmm?

glatt · 08-31-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

The kids arn't learning why flag burning is important or the issues that spark it, they're just being told they're allowed to do it. If anything it kinda dulls the meaning down...

After reading your post. I opened the link and read the article. It doesn't say what the teacher said other than 1.) write an opinion about it, and 2.) ask your parents about it. Did you find another news source that details what the teacher said?

Shawnee123 · 08-31-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pangloss62

My Child With ADD Was Student of
The Minute at Lakeview Elementary

Flint · 08-31-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

Did you find another news source that details what the teacher said?

Or what was in the chapter they were reading (etc.) IE providing context to the assignment?

08-31-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pangloss62

I think he did a good thing, but I agree that the whole fire issue probably ruined it for him. They can use safety issues as an excuse to punish him for what they REALLY want to punish him for.

Oh, today I came up with a bad joke; really, I did. I saw one of those "My Child Was Student of The Month at" bumper stickers and I came up with this one:

My Child With ADD Was Student of
The Minute at Lakeview Elementary

I took this in a parking lot a few months ago:

How proud they must be.

08-31-2006, 12:05 PM	#17
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	And when the "flag" is printed on a paper plate, for instance, that you will eat greasey pork n' beans off of at a 4th of July picnic, maybe snuff a few cigarette butts on, and then throw in a rotting garbage heap with bits of half-chewed hotdogs... that "flag" is treated with "respect" ??? Oh, but wait, the 4th of July is patriotic, so that's different. Whereas a teacher teaching our children about what the flag actually stands for (aside from the right to eat pork n' beans) is un-patriotic ??? ::: confused ::: Do we even remember what the flag means? The irony is mind-boggling... __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-31-2006, 12:18 PM	#18
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	Flagging Interest I think he did a good thing, but I agree that the whole fire issue probably ruined it for him. They can use safety issues as an excuse to punish him for what they REALLY want to punish him for. Oh, today I came up with a bad joke; really, I did. I saw one of those "My Child Was Student of The Month at" bumper stickers and I came up with this one: My Child With ADD Was Student of The Minute at Lakeview Elementary __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

08-31-2006, 02:28 PM	#25
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	The kids arn't learning why flag burning is important or the issues that spark it, they're just being told they're allowed to do it. If anything it kinda dulls the meaning down... __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

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08-31-2006, 11:13 AM	#16
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	FYI, those small novelty "flags" are not actually US Flags. They are not subject to the same rules and one is not required to treat them with the same respect as a true flag. Now, that is not to say that one should not treat one that is being used as a flag with respect, and as Scouts, when we had small flags, once they were placed on a tent or other property as a flag, we treated them as such. But, while in a box or just lying around as a toy... not a flag.

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